Headlights dim when the music plays
How to give your car's electrical system a power-up
Your headlights dim when the stereo pulls too much power out of your car's electrical system. This usually happens only in large, multiple-kilowatt sound systems. But sometimes even modestly powered systems can stress your car's electronics, especially during a sub amp's burst of energy when it produces the sound of the beat. Every part of the electrical system suffers because of the amp's sudden demand on the limited supply of power, even the amplifier itself. Your eyes are just more sensitive to the change than your ears, and you notice your headlights dimming along with the beat.
There are a few actions you can take to solve this problem. There are also some strong and differing opinions about the order in which you should do them, or even their individual usefulness. The following is my contribution to the argument.
Sometimes all you need is a new battery terminal.
Check all power and ground connections, and the battery itself
The first thing you should do is make sure all the surfaces used in power and ground connections are scraped down to bare metal, clean, and all the connectors and the battery terminals fastened tightly together. If that doesn't do it, take your car and have its battery load-tested at an auto parts or battery store. They'll often do it for free and can recommend the proper replacement if they find your old battery has problems. Car batteries rarely live to be four years old, so don't think you're being cheated when they tell you your old battery isn't holding its charge. A weak battery can often have enough juice to start your car but not be able to handle the quick jolt of demand when your sub amp hits.
If you do decide you need to replace your battery, consider getting an XS Power battery from Crutchfield. XS Power batteries feature a sealed absorbed glass mat (AGM) design, instead of the standard liquid electrolyte design, so they actually store energy — meaning you don't have to add a capacitor to your system to get a quick burst when you need it. We carry a full assortment of the most popular sizes available. We even have models which fit many European applications such as VW/Audi, BMW, Mercedes, and Jaguar.
T-Spec 3.0-Farad capacitor
Capacitors
Adding a capacitor to your system does not increase your system's power capacity. But if your lights dim only occasionally, and only on the loud drum beats, then a capacitor may just be the cure. A capacitor smoothes out the power demands by providing a short burst of energy when needed. I recommend 2 farads of capacitor for every 1,000 watts RMS of total amplifier power. That's more than the usual recommended dose, but it should ensure a quicker recovery time for the cap to be ready for the next thump.
XS Power BIG3XS big 3 wiring upgrade kit
The Big Three wiring upgrade
A good, cost-effective improvement is to perform the "Big Three" electrical upgrade. This will vastly improve your vehicle's electrical system, allowing more current to flow easier to all components. This upgrade replaces or augments three key cables in the electrical system with 1/0 or 4 gauge wires: the battery ground to chassis wire, the chassis to engine block wire, and the alternator plus to battery plus wire. This increases your electrical system's current flow capability, ensuring a more consistent voltage under varying demand conditions.
An unfortunate possible side effect of doing the Big Three is that occasionally it only makes your lights dim even worse. This happens because the amplifier is now able to suck juice better from the system through the bigger straw (the new cables).
High output alternator
The alternator is the ultimate source for all of your vehicle's power when it's running. The battery starts the engine, but the alternator takes over when the motor starts to turn. If your sound system demands more power than your stock alternator can supply, then you will benefit by upgrading to a higher output alternator. Replacing your stock alternator with an "HO alt" may seem like an expensive solution, but if you've invested in a sound system that draws this much power, you shouldn't mind solving this problem of supply and demand by increasing the supply of power.
For example: producing a 1500 watt output requires about 217 amperes of current from your car's system. It's actually about a third of that for music, which doesn't put out full power all the time — but it's still a lot of current. Most stock alternators are in the 80-120 ampere range and can only supply about 40% to 50% of that for non-automotive uses like amplifiers.
A 250 or 300 ampere aftermarket high output alternator should provide enough power for all your car's systems and your high-powered stereo too. Keeping that in mind, calculating the required output size of a high output alternator is not easy and should only be done while consulting with the new alternator's vendor or installer.
XS Power car batteries
Adding a second battery
Another method is to add a second battery, often back near the amplifier. This, in effect, provides another source of power available to fill in the gaps when the system needs it. When the power is asked for, it comes from the batteries. Two batteries wired in parallel act like one battery with twice the capacity. Crutchfield carries secondary battery wiring kits that feature all the hardware necessary for adding a second battery to your system.
XS Power AK3500 secondary battery wiring kit
A second battery becomes almost necessary if you play your music a lot with the engine turned off. Some people use isolators between their batteries, so that the one used to start the car won't get drained by the amp's pull. And it's a good idea to only hook up two batteries of equal strength and age. The stress of two different strength batteries constantly cycling charge between themselves to equalize the voltage leads to a shortened life for both batteries.
Note: Working with a car's electrical system can be dangerous. Tools and jewelry can be welded by the inadvertent discharge of a battery or capacitor. Sparks could fly, igniting flammable gases. Batteries have been known to explode when overstressed. (I know it for a fact: I witnessed a friend's battery exploding and setting his Lincoln on fire.) If you're inexperienced or don't feel comfortable working with high-current devices, then hire a professional to do these upgrades and installations.
And please, don't let anyone talk you into doing any of these procedures unless you are experiencing bothersome headlight dimming.
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Jason from Mckinleyville
Posted on 7/14/2018I'm running 1500w on a stock alternator in my 95 civic. I'm experiencing headlight dimming, and would also like to be able to play music longer when car is not running. I'm considering adding an xs750, or xs950 supplemental battery with an isolator. I've read that the extra battery will do nothing to help the headlight dimming while the car is running, what are your thoughts on my battery choice and the matter of dimming. Thanks.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield on 7/16/2018Jason, In spite of what you've read elsewhere, adding a second battery will help overcome light-dimming. It may not entirely solve the issue, but it won't hurt either.Brett from oceanside
Posted on 6/19/2018currently have 2 12" audiopipe subwoofers wired to a CT Sounds 1500 watt amp in my '07 Avalanche. Still running a stock battery and alternator but I just did the big 3 upgrade and my lights still dim. I'm not sure what model my Subwoofers are or the ohms because I had very little knowledge on stereo systems when they were installed. but I'm looking to go to an HO alternator, is this the right move?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield on 6/20/2018Brett, Upgrading your alternator will definitely help the electrical system, especially while driving. Another strategy you might employ to prevent light-dimming is to add a second battery to the system.Chance from Tampa, FL. (Seffner)
Posted on 6/12/2018I have a 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5L V6 and I'm having a sound system installed. (JL Audio 12W7AE-3 12" 3-Ohm Sub w/ JLAudio JX1000/1D 1000 watt RMS Amp) I am considering an alternator upgrade but I don't know if its needed or even what I have as factory OEM on my Altima to begin with. I welcome your feedback. Thank You.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield on 6/13/2018Chance, Don't try and solve a problem you don't have. You shouldn't even consider an electrical upgrade until after your amp installation, and your vehicle's lights dim on bass beats.Mike Bennett from Grayslake
Posted on 6/3/2018My headlights dim bad. I have a 2013 Honda Civic LX, and I am running a kicker cxa 1200 and an audiopipe Q-15, both rated at 1200 rms. Is this too much? I have been told this is too much and should consider getting different, less powerful gear. But before I do that I'd like to know if that's true and get a second opinion, or if adding an alternator will solve this problem. I was also told that could cause my electrical system to fail (not the alt, but the setup being too powerful) and would also like to know if this is true and am I putting my car in danger by running sucha powerful set up on a stock electrical system? Help would be appreciated!
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 5/8/2018Gregory, I think a second battery should be connected in parallel to the primary battery, not directly to the alternator. The Big Three is an independent upgrade that isn't required, but probably wouldn't hurt.
Gregory Horton from Eutaw
Posted on 5/7/2018Can i run my rear battery bank straight off my alternator.. if i do will i still need the big 3..
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 5/4/2018Matt, A system that massive will need more than what you propose - its peak demand will be in the 335- to 536-A range.
Matt from Gilbert
Posted on 5/2/2018Planning on buying 2 subs that pull 1500rms each, so a total of 3000. Plus 4 door speakers with 100rms each = 400rms. The amplifiers im looking at are rated 500rms (for the 4 doors) and 3300rms ( for the subs). So I have a total of 3700rms drawing from my 2015 nissan versa alternator providing 110amps. Obviously need a new alternator. Would a 270amp alternator suffice? Or would it be best to buy both a 270amp alt and a 2nd battery?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/26/2018Robert, Sundown SA-12 subs come in DVC 2-ohm and DVC 4-ohm models. If yours is the DVC 2-ohm model, the only safe way to wire it to that amp is like this diagram, getting 400 watts RMS to the 750 watts RMS rated sub. If your sub is the DVC 4-ohm model, the best way to wire it would be like this, getting the 750-watt sub 750 watts. Neither setup should tax your vehicle's electrical system.
Robert from Ontario
Posted on 3/23/2018Hi Buck, Thanks for all your advice and articles on sound systems. I have a question. I have a 2016 Dodge Charger with a stock 180 amp alternator. I'm going to use an audiocontrol 1200 amp. I'm trying to decide if I should power it at 750 watts rms at 2 ohms or at 1200 watts rms at 1 ohm for one Sundown SA-12 sub. Will either of the two choices tax the electrical or am I in a "safe zone" with one or both wattages?
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Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/22/2018Jesus, That should do it and then some.
Jesus zuniga from Denver
Posted on 3/21/2018So a 250 amp alternator be enough for my sound system
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/21/2018Dale, There's no way to know if you need an electrical upgrade or not until after it's all connected and you experience light-dimming.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/21/2018Jesus, At full blast, that amp will try to pull as much as 109A from the electrical system. Beefing up your system to 120A probably won't do much good. A 200A probably would.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/21/2018Cletus, You can have an auto parts store check your alternator's voltage regulator for malfunction, but please do not bypass any factory harness of your vehicle's electrical system. That would be dangerous. The fact that your amplifiers will try to draw as much as 235A from a 160A system tells me you probably need a larger or a second alternator.
Dale from Cincinnati
Posted on 3/18/2018I just got 200 high output police alternator for grand marquis with 3000 watt taramp can I run it I have good battery to I got it tested pushing 12.9 volts with 0 gauge but not big 3 would I need extra battery or it should be fine with proper gain I haven't hook up yet
Jesus zuniga from Denver
Posted on 3/18/2018Hi I have 2 sundown sa-10 Rev 3 RMS 750 Dual 4 ohm with a class d amp hifonics Brutus 1200.1D wired to 1 ohm. My issue is I can't find a ho alternator for my 2012 civic LX sedan. My question is will rewinding my 90amp alternator to 120 amp help my electrical system or do I just to the big 3 with upgrading my ground cable too. Im just trying to get rid of the light diming of my headlights
Cletus Bosephus Rodriguez from HomeoftheRazorbacks
Posted on 3/17/2018Hello Buck, I would like to get your opinion on a headlight flickering problem. I have a 2002 Honda Civic. The stereo I'm running is: 1 - 12" L7 solo baric powered by an Orion XTR1500 2 - MB quart 6.5s, 2 - MB quart 6x9s, powered by an MB quart 4x120 amp. I put an ultima yellow top battery, Rockville RXC50D 50 Farad cap, and a 160 Amp Alternator. I have also replaced the big three wires with 1/0 5250 strand wire. I'm getting dimming on my headlights and interior lights when the bass hits. It's not extreme, but it's noticeable. I'm suspecting the voltage regulator on the alternator because it's wiring runs through the car's wiring harness. Is there a safe way to test this theory and bypass either the car's wiring harness or the voltage regulator without overcharging the battery? Do you have any other ideas on how I can eliminate the dimming?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/9/2018William, Performing the Big Three upgrade is never a requirement when beefing up an electrical system, but it probably won't hurt either.
William Hall from Canton
Posted on 3/9/2018No matter what I'm adding a extra battery but should I also do the big 3 upgrade when sitting and not moving with the subs on I watch my voltage meter jump and bounce I have a good battery in it
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/6/2018Lance, It won't hurt anything to get a high-output alternator in order to support such a large amp, and may be just what you need.
Lance Nicholas Welch from INDIANAPOLIS
Posted on 3/2/2018I have a 4.2 trsilblazer. I am adding a sundown X 12v.1 and the amp will be a HIFI BRZ 2400 1.d. all off my buddies are in competition and are telling me i need to get a 270 alt and a solid battery. Can i get away with the big 3 (OFC) of course and a decent set of matching agm battiries? I just downgraded due to soace. I had a toyota 4 runner with a maxive box tuned to 31. So i am sure i will not have quite the sane output. But power wise would it be wise to get the 270 alt??
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 1/29/2018Adam, An amplifier's gain control is there to match the amp's input sensitivity to your receiver's output strength. Wanting that control set at any number is not the way to properly set it. You turn it up until you hear distortion, then turn it down until the distortion goes away. Your amp's wiring setup is straining your car's charging system. First, check the battery and wiring. If they're okay you can then replace your power wire with the correct 4-gauge wiring. And then apply more of the suggestions spelled out in the article.
Adam Malik from newnan
Posted on 1/29/2018Hi, i currently have a Rockford fosgate 12 inch enclosure with a 600 watt rms and 1200 watt max rating with a Rockford fosgate mono amplifier with a 750 watt rms installed. I want to be able to fully listen to the sub without causing any damage to my car. When the volume is turned to about less than halfway and a loud bass note hits, all my lights will flicker, interior and exterior. And I only have the gain set to about 4 but it goes up to 11. I want to be able to have it set around 7-8 without my lights flickering. But I installed this with 8 gauge power and ground wire so is this why my lights are flickering? if i were to change the wires to 4 gauge, would this solve my problem? I've done some research and found that 8 gauge only has a max of 600 watts so I'm not sure if i used the wrong wires and if i should swap for the 4 gauge instead.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 1/15/2018Westley, The information I see about that mono amplifier is that it can put out up to 6,500 watts RMS at 1 ohm. Adding a 125 watts RMS per channel 4-channel amp brings the total wattage to 7,000 watts RMS. To produce this massive amount of output "all day" out of, let's say, 80% efficient Class D amplifiers with a 13.8 volt supply will require 634 amperes. Even if you're starting with a 130A factory alternator, adding a 370A might not support the full output you're looking for. You might be able to play loud music with no light-dimming with your planned upgrade - the 1/3 duty-cycle of music means the amp is only asked to produce top wattage 33% of the time - but "demoing all day," probably not without more upgrading.
Westley Gaskins from moncks corner
Posted on 1/15/2018I like this thread. None of this is installed yet, but I have a mechman 370 amp hi output alt on a bracket separate from stock alt, 2 xs 7500d batts ran in parallel, 1 ns-1 sundown amp (10,000 watt ems) powering 2 sundown nightshade v4's 3000 watt rms 15 inch subs, a sundown 125x4 v.2 on 4 jl audio 3 component 6x9s and 2 skar audio super tweeters with inline bass blockers. All with ofc certified basshead 1/0 power and ground, ofc 8 gauge ran for subs. The question is am I done buying parts? With all this power can I demo all day? Will this power supply work or do I need more?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/6/2017Anthony, We don't sell alternators nor make specific recommendations about them. I'm not familiar with what's available in your country, but if you're really putting in an amp that size, you'll probably need a high-output alternator that can supply about 75 to 100 amperes beyond the electrical needs of the vehicle, plus a second battery.
Anthony from Durban
Posted on 12/5/2017Hi. I currently have a 2017 Hyundai i20 1.2 Motion and I want to add a 2500w rms sub with a 2500w 2ohm rms amp. What alternator would I need to run this system smoothly and would the stock battery work? Thanks
Justus from Geronimo
Posted on 12/3/2017Sooooo, when are you guys getting into the HO Alternator game? I can buy just about every other part of an audio system but that.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/30/2017Jordan, It could be that your amp's gain is set incorrectly and it goes into protection mode due to being overdriven. I doubt your vehicle's alternator has anything to do with the issue. If you bought your gear from Crutchfield, you could call Tech Support for free help troubleshooting your system. Their toll-free number is on your invoice. If you purchased your equipment elsewhere, you can still get expert Crutchfield Tech Support - 90 days-worth for only $30. Click on this link for details.
Jordan from Ephrata
Posted on 11/30/2017Hi I recently started having an issue where my subwoofer shuts off/loses power when I turn my volume to about 70% max. I think it's my alternator but could it be my amp? I have a 5 channel for my speakers and another amp just for the sub.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/15/2017Mark, You don't have to worry about anything. If, after installing and setting up your system, you experience light-dimming when the bass hits, then you can revisit this article for possible solutions. You shouldn't have to solve a problem until it actually exists.
Mark from Norwich
Posted on 11/13/2017Hi Buck. I'm planning some upgrades and was lead here by a friend after he mentioned the big 3. My total RMS will only be 700w RMS, do I need to worry about this? I checked my alternator and it's rated at 90a.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 8/14/2017James, I assume you're referring to Kicker's CXA1800.1 amplifier, which can put out up to 1800 watts RMS through a 2-ohm load. It should have 1/0-gauge power and ground wiring, in order to produce its rated power. Perhaps it goes into protection mode due to it being stressed with an inadequate power supply. If your lights dim on loud musical beats, then upgrading the alternator will probably help.
James from canton
Posted on 8/11/2017I have an 03 malibu with 2 15in kicker L7s 4ohm wired to a 3600 watt kicker amp. It is not hitting to its full potential i know bc i had 2 12in kicker L7s. I have to upgrade from 4 gauge wiring to 1/0 but is that the only thing throwing my amp into protective mode? wasn't sure if i need to upgrade my alternator or not?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 7/29/2017Ian, If your amplifier stays on after the stereo is turned off, its remote turn-on lead is not wired properly - the amp should turn off when the stereo does. Otherwise what you describe sounds like a loose ground or power wire, not an alternator issue.
Ian Wallis from Sydney
Posted on 7/29/2017Hi Buck, Some great information here. I have a Kenwood KAC-PS527 2 Channel Car Amplifier powering 2 x Pioneer TS-A6975S speakers in a 1973 HQ Holden. I get crackling and a popping speaker sound when the car is running with stereo turned off. I think it may be the alternator (Ingram - possibly a 55Amp). What would be the recommended sized alternator if this is the issue? There is some pretty serious gauge power and ground cables going to the AMP. Thanks in advance.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 7/15/2017Brandon, Let me start with that first calculation. For car audio power supply planning, we assume a 50% efficient Class A/B amplifier is being used. To produce a 1500 watts RMS output will require 3000 watts RMS power from the vehicle's power supply. Using 13.8 volts gives us 217.39 amperes of current draw. See our Wire Gauge Chart for more information. Your second question is the million-dollar question of the decade: Does a capacitor do any good in a car audio power supply circuit? A capacitor is used for two things in car audio: filtering out any AC in the 12-volt DC signal, and to "stiffen" the system voltage to prevent lights from dimming when loud bass notes play. They accomplish this by supplying the amplifier with a quick jolt of power. Here's an article that may shed some light on that subject: Capacitor FAQ.
Brandon Briggs from Muskegon
Posted on 7/14/2017Hello, I'm just curious if normal rules of electricity apply to sound system power. I'm an electrician and know ohms law and power calculations. How does 1500 watt draw equate to 247 amps. P= I×E Power =watts I= current or Amps and E= voltage. 1500 watts divided by 12 volts equals 125 amps. My car runs around 13.7 volts when running which would equate to even less current (110 amps) I read a bunch of stuff not only here but other places with knowledgeable people such as yourself where their calculations doesn't add up to what I was taught in my IBEW apprenticeship program. I understand that none of these devices are 100% efficient but even to get over 100 amps of lost power due to resistance, making heat or electromagnetic effects doesn't make sense. My other question is how does a capacitor work in a DC system. Capacitance along with induction only exist in an AC circuit. All of the capacitor I've seen are supposed to be installed before the amp which is DC. Capacitive Reactance formula is Xc = 1/(2×p×frequency× capacitor value). But because DC has no frequency that value would be 0 which messes up the whole equation. I could somewhat see a capacitor working after the amp which is an AC circuit but the frequency value is constantly changing. Is there special rules that apply to sound systems or electronics? If so could you point me in the right direction to learn more about this.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 6/27/2017Razaad, Not knowing exactly what amplifier you have (brand name and model number) makes it difficult to determine whether your capacitor is appropriate or not. The fact that your power wire fuse blows tells me that something's wrong. The power cable should be the same size wire from battery to amp, and the ground wire should be the same size as that. So should any wires connecting a capacitor.
Razaad Ahmad from Bethlehem.
Posted on 6/27/2017Hey there. I have 2 Skar VVXv3 12" subwoofers running in my Nissan Altima 2005. I have the 1500rms amp running those two subs. My question is should I include a smaller cap? I have an 8fraud cap. Also I've noticed the wire from my battery to my power wire to amp basically blows every couple months or so. So what should I do? I'm running 2 gauge towards my battery but all my wires connected to my amp and cap is 8 gauge wire. Everything is stock but with that much power should I just get a second battery VS A cap. If so what kinda battery or cap should I consider buying that's not too perfect for my set up so far? Also should I do the big three just to do it or no? I just wanna be able to eat the most out of these subwoofer and I feel like I'm really not getting as much powere as they can handle.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 6/13/2017Eric, I doubt a Big Three upgrade will fix your light-dimming issue, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to do one. First, I'd check the battery and then the power and ground wiring for any weaknesses. If that doesn't fix things then maybe a capacitor would work in your situation.
Eric from Garfield Heights
Posted on 6/12/2017Hello Buck, let me cut to the question so i won't waste you're valuable time. I have a 2005 Scion Tc Electrical upgrades : 175 amp Alternator and an XS power D2400 with no big 3 upgrade. Personal upgrades : 2 12 inch American bass XFL1244 powered by a Hifonics BRX1516.1d at 1 ohm or 1500 watts rms My question is do i absolutely have to upgrade my Big three now that i have the HO alternator? I have slight headlight dimming and voltage drop from 13.3 to 13.1. Should i be afraid of frying my vehicles computers? Oh, did i mention my voltage at the battery charging is 13.3 with nothing on! Thanks in advance!
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 5/1/2017Matthew, If you want a question answered about a system, you must identify the equipment by model numbers as well as brand names. Without knowing the subs' impedances, I can't tell how they can be wired to an amp or what power output and draw would result.
Matthew from Wichita Falls, texas
Posted on 5/1/2017Crutchfield, I'm super impressed with your dedication to your customers ! Please help me, for I am a young Padawan. I am wanting to put 2 subwoofers 500rms each, and four door speakers 80rms each. (All are alpine type s) I'll have two alpine amps type d 500 watts(one to each sub), and one alpine amp 300 watt type d(for door speakers). I'm pretty afraid the 1300 watts is gonna kill my alternator. I have a 2014 chevy sonic, not super fancy. Do you think 1300 watts is a little much for the stock electrical system?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 4/13/2017Sage, That amplifier should not be a burden to your vehicle's charging system or a cause of burnt-out bulbs. Maybe it has a loose power or ground connection. Turn the stereo and amp off and take your car to a service shop to have someone check the electrical system, battery and alternator. That sounds like your main issues.
Sage from Long Beach
Posted on 4/13/2017Super helpful post. I have a few questions! I am running two 10" Boston Aucoustic subs with a GT2 125 amp in my 2012 Mazda3... with a stock battery and alternator :( I've had the dimming lights for awhile and not only that, I've replaced shattered and burnt bulbs time and time again. Recently my car hasn't been starting as fast and turning over. And now I know for certain my alternator is failing. I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm learning as I go... until I can upgrade my alternator and or get a capacitor should I go to the trouble to remove the wiring as well... (as I'm not sure if they have anything to do with the possible short that's making my head lights shatter) or can I just disconnect them from my amp and subs and be alright? And is my alternator permanately damaged and going to continue to fail even without the extra pull for power?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 4/11/2017Joe, That massive amplifier will try and draw about 120 amperes of current while working, 300 amperes on musical peaks. This is a lot more than what most stock alternators can put out. Generally you can expect to be able to use half of your alternator's amperage capacity for aftermarket equipment like amplifiers. A second battery will help a little, but ultimately you may find you need a beefier alternator.
Joe from Tupelo
Posted on 4/11/2017I've already done a 1/0 big 3 upgrade for a previous system but only used 4 gauge for the amp. Im about to upgrade those to 1/0 because im wanting to run 2 skar audio ZVXv2 15"s (1500 rms each) on a skar SK3500v2 (specs say 3800 rms @ 1 ohm)....if I had a good enough second battery, could I manage with a stock alternator still? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 4/10/2017Zac, Not knowing exactly what amplifiers or subwoofers you have make it impossible to give advice on the system they're in. If you want a question answered about your system, you must identify your equipment by brand names and model numbers.
Zac from Sherman
Posted on 4/9/2017Just picked up a few things for my 1985 nissan 720 two 10" 1050 rms each runing from a 4000 watt mono block one 8" 500 rms and 2 4x10" 150 rms each running from a 1000 watt duel chl for my highs i have 2 6.5" 125 rms each and 2 1" tweeters running from a 200 watt duel chl should i go ahead and pick up and 2nd battery and a copacitor already got all the wires for the big 3 but my stock alt is 60 amp looking in too a gm swap for a 120 amp any help would be awesome
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 4/6/2017Dustin, A rule of thumb about a vehicle alternator is that 50% of its current capacity is available for non-automotive use, like car amplifiers. The 80-amps of available current in your vehicle will probably easily support your two amplifiers, especially if they use efficient Class D amp technology. As long as your amplifiers have adequate power and ground wiring, I don't see that you'll have any power supply issues. You should only consider getting a capacitor until after you detect slight light-dimming with loud music.
Dustin Zysset from Columbus
Posted on 4/5/2017I have a 2006 chevy tahoe with stock bose. I'm putting in one 13.5 in jl audio tw5 2 ohm which is 600 watt rms and I'm putting a 500 watt rms jl audio amp to power it, I'm also planning to replace the door speakers and use a 250 watt rms amp to run those, and putting in a new head unit. Its not hooked up yet so i don't know if lights will dim, but im trying to plan ahead I'm going to upgrade my big 3 regardless because i feel like it's going to be a good idea, i also plan to get a yellow top optima battery for the vehicle, i got to looking and found out i have a 160 amp alternator already installed. Now my question is after i get the better battery and upgrade my big 3 and get my stereo in do you think Im going to have to upgrade my alternator or should i be ok? Also should i get a capacitor or will i be ok without it? Thanks in advance for your help.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 3/31/2017Travis, It sounds to me like you may benefit with a Big Three upgrade when you replace the alternator, augmenting the existing electrical wiring with larger gauge wires. The auto mechanic who will replace the alternator may recommend upgrading the wiring as well.
Travis
Posted on 3/31/2017So, I have a 1981 GMC C1500 pickup, I'm currently installing a new stereo in. I'll be using a Pioneer 7800BHS head unit, Kenwood XR900-5 5-channel amp, running 2 Pioneer TS-SW2502S4 10" subwoofers wired in parallel to a 2-ohm load, Focal PS 130 V in my doors, and some 4" Alpine 2-ways in the cab corners just for the time being. The truck originally has a 63-amp alternator, I'm swapping in a 105-amp later model one, and I'd like to wire everything up as correctly as possible, the factory wiring runs through 10 gauge wiring on the charging system with a few fusible links, am I able to leave this in place and simply run a larger gauge (and fused) wire to the battery, or am I going to need to rewire the entire charging system? As it stands, the factory wiring comes off the alternator, goes to a junction block on the firewall and goes to the + side of the starter, which has a 4 gauge wire going from the starter + to the + terminal on the battery. Thanks in advance. Side note, the amp is going to be wired up using 4 gauge OFC positive and ground, 10 gauge for the subs as they are the big draw, and 16 gauge to the speakers, all OFC, with amp power wire fused near battery with a 125amp fuse.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 2/28/2017Ryan, You didn't say what Class amps you want to run, but whichever, assuming a 13.8-volt system, achieving 5000 watts RMS will take 453 amperes for a D-Class amp, and 725 amperes for an A/B amplifier. If you're bumping tones, I don't think there's a single alternator in existence that can handle that much current, so running multiple alternators plus multiple batteries sounds like your solution. For playing music however, when the duty cycle of the amp is more like a third of peak current draw, it might work with just one high-output alternator and a second battery, like an XS Power XP3000.
Ryan from Saint Louis
Posted on 2/26/2017Quick questions on electrical. Planning to run 4.5k rms to two 15s, and then about 500 rms to door speakers. Thoughts are throwing 2 batteries in the trunk and upgrading to a 250 amp alt, or adding another alt along with my current 200 amp HO alt. Big 3 is already done and will probably run a couple runs of 0 gauge. Do you think this would be sufficient enough to run 5k? Also any suggestions on batteries? Thinking maybe 2 XP3000s. Thanks for everything.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 2/20/2017Rob, Let's do the math for your car: A 160-A alternator will have 80-A available for non-automotive use. An 80-A draw at 13.8 volts results in 1104 watts RMS for a perfect amplifier and 552 watts RMS for a typical 50% efficient AB amplifier. So, it looks like your 400 total watts RMS amplifier will pose no issues, as long as it's installed correctly.
Rob from Chesapeake
Posted on 2/18/2017Hello, I am looking into upgrading my system in my 2008 Chrysler 300. I am looking at replacing the four stock speakers with Kicker 6x9 3 ways 150RMS, along with adding a Pioneer deck, and using a MB Quart 4 ch 800 watt (100RMS per channel) amp to drive the four Kickers. I have no subs or additional speakers in the car. I would like to know opinions or facts as to whether or not I should be worried about having to change the alternator to a higher output. I hope I do not obviously, and reading the setups others are using here on this forum makes my system sound small in comparison. I have looked up the specs on the 300's stock alternator and it appears to be 160 amps. Give me good news lol...
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 2/14/2017EB, I'd listen to my installer and not cause issues with that wire or the alternator. You should take your vehicle back to him and see if the light-dimming issue can be resolved.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 2/13/2017Eugenio, You might want to wait and see if the amp causes any electrical overdrawing issues before putting in a high-output alternator.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 2/13/2017Teo, It sounds like you may have your two subs wired out of phase from each other, but if you like the sound, go for it.
E.B. from Louisburg
Posted on 2/13/2017I recently took my vehicle to my local stereo Shop and they did and upgrade to my negative wires. I thought it was the Big 3 upgrade, but they didn't replace or did anything to the alternator hot wire. They said in there past experience, when the replace the factory hot wire that I could cause issues, so they did 4 gauge ground wire from battery to chassis, battery to alternator, then 8 gauge wire from battery to body, which is the factory ground wires. I currently have changed the battery to a yellow top optima and I have 4 gauge hot and ground wires running to a distribution box the from the distribution box to my amp is 8 Guage wire, cause my amp will only accept no larger than 8 Guage wire. So with all that said and my headlightson dim a little still, but adding all these additions helped, should they have installed the hot wire from the battery to the alternator, a new wire, but still kept the factory hot wire? Thank You!
Eugenio garza from Fremont
Posted on 2/12/2017I have 2 12" solo baric 2 ohm at 50-750 watts rms each and am going to order a kicker CXA1800.1 mono amp at 1800 watts rms @ 2 ohms, i read that the amp can draw some serious amounts of current (up to 163 amps) and i was wondering if i should just go ahead and get a hight output aftermarket alternator.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 1/13/2017Anthony, If you expect your alternator to output up to 240 amps, you will need to use Big Three wiring and a fuse that can handle that much current.
anthony from aubur
Posted on 1/13/2017hey i have a 2004 mitsubushi eclipse with a new optima red top battery, and recently purchased a 240 amp h/o alternator along with a big 3 upgrade kit. my question is is do i need a new inline fuse between the alt and the battery? the inline fuse already there is only rated for 120 amps
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 1/4/2017Mike, I recommend going back to your installer, show them the problem, and see if they can offer a simple solution, like tightening connections or adding a capacitor. An audio system this size should not overpower your vehicle's charging system.
Mike from Poland
Posted on 1/3/2017Hi! I have a 2014 Honda with a 95a alternator. There is only one amp driving the system right now and i already experience dimming when the bass kicks while the car stays on idle. The amp is a mbquart running about 2x85 to the fronts and a bridge of about 260 watts to the 10 inch sub. Wiring was done by a pro and everything is set up for an additional jlaudio 600/1 which i already have but not connected as i noticed the dimming (lights on, idle rpm, no other power drains like heated mirrors or seats etc. - just the lights and aircon). As you probably noticed the power drain from what i have now is not something substantial and the car has a special battery (80ah agm for start/stop usage). The vehicle is pretty new and has about 30k miles on it. What would you recommend?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 1/3/2017Lorenzo, If you've already checked over and ensured good connectivity with the proper-size power and ground wires and the battery checks out as well, you may very well benefit from adding a second battery or replacing the alternator with a higher output version.
Lorenzo from Richmond Virginia
Posted on 1/1/2017Okay so I have a 2015 Dodge Charger SE. I have 4 Rockford fosgate 169 prime 3 way door speakers hooked up to a power T-400 4 channel amp. I have two Rockford fosgate P3's hooked up to a power T-1000 amp. When playing everything is fine up to about volume 15. Anything above that and the battery volts drop from 14.5 to anywhere between 11.5 and 12.5 and sometimes depend on the song below 11.5. So my question then becomes do I need an extra battery, do I need to replace the current car battery with a bigger one, should I do the big three or should I replace the alternator?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/28/2016Joe, I recommend going back to your installer, show them the problem, and see if they can offer a simple solution, like tightening connections or adding a capacitor. An audio system this size shouldn't overpower your vehicle's charging system.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/28/2016Casey, I hope you're not adjusting the amp gain on the fly. Gain should be set once and then left alone. If you have a Hifonics Brutus BRX2000.1D, it calls for 2-gauge power and ground wire. And if you plan on adding another amplifier later, you should put in 1/0-gauge wiring. But this size system will likely overwhelm any vehicle's factory charging system. The mono amp alone, wired to a 2-ohm load, will put out up to 1400 watts RMS, drawing up to 127 amperes from the electrical system. So, larger wiring, new battery, second battery, HO alternator: these are the solutions you should be looking at.
Joe cita from Milwaukee
Posted on 12/27/2016I have a 2012 Toyota Camery V6 SE. I had it upgraded to get full range from a pair of Hertz milipros in the doors and a set of same 6X9 in the rear deck. With an alpine sweep 10dr subwoofer, running through a pox alpine 5 channel amp. 75w x 4 to the doors and rear deck 300w to the subwoofer. I have 2 jl cr 350x inthe dash, not hooked to the alpine. The head lights slightly flicker when the sub hits. I upgraded the battery to a deep cycle with reserve (x2 bakttery from batteries plus). I plan to replace exterior lights with led, not the headlights, fogs turns signal etc), but the amp decrease will be minimal. The flicker is slight, and the batterybhelped but did not eliminate the flicker. The stereo pulls more than stock but based on set ups on threads is not pulling a ton of power.al professionally installed by the best reviewed installer in se Wisconsin. Would a big 3 upgrade be the recommended course? A higher output alternator seems like it would be overkill?
Casey Woody from Kingston, TN
Posted on 12/27/2016I have a 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. I have a stock alternator. My system is a 12" Alpine type x In a huge ported box made by fatbox. (The box really set the sub off! Tuned at 30.2 Very low bass) I also have a 2000 watt Hifonics Brutus 1 channel mono block. I also have a 3 farad Power Acoustik capacitor. I have everything wired to 2 ohms. I think I'm probably passing right around 1000 watts rms. I wired the system up with 4 gauge wire and speaker wire is 10. Also running with a sony head unit. I am going to do the big three upgrade, but here is my question. My lights dim at night. I find when I really start to push the amp ( I have the gain on my amp set to about 2/3) and during the day I can run my gain at about 2/3 which is the max I run because after that I notice clipping. But at night, if I turn my bass knob past the half way point, that is usually where I see the lights starting to dim. I'm looking into a h.o. alternator right now but needing to know which one I should do first. Big three or alternator? I plan on upgrading my component front speakers and rear speakers and push them with like a 5 or 600 watt amp as well. I know that my battery is 5 years old and might actually give out on me anytime. So I need to know about the big three or alternator first. I can find a 180 or 200 watt alt for my car for a decent price. And also, what battery, decent priced, do you suggest. I hope I have given you enough info because I want to get this figured out quickly. Thanks!
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/19/2016Adam, I suggest you wait until after your amplifier and subwoofer are installed, and after you start experiencing headlight dimming before you do any electrical system upgrade. There's no point in preparing to fix something that may not be broken.
Adam from Nashua
Posted on 12/19/2016Hello, I have a 2002 Subaru WRX and am planning on getting a Alpine type-r 10 inch sub and a alpine MRX-M110 amp. Will my car be able to handle this? Or should I get a capacitor or high-out put alternator? I also have a radar detector which is plugged into my cigarette lighter. Thanks
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/16/2016Brian, It's unusual for such a low-power system to cause light-dimming. Like the article says, the first thing you should do is make sure all the surfaces used in power and ground connections are scraped down to bare metal, clean, and all the connectors and the battery terminals fastened tightly together. And check the battery itself. If you still have dimming after that, you should consider adding a capacitor or second battery or a wiring upgrade to your system.
Brian from Cleveland
Posted on 12/16/2016Hey Buck, I had a kicker zr360 and 2 Orion xtpro122 connected and my lights dimmed even while accelerating on the highway. Since, it has been disconnected and I am going to connect a zr600 which I believe definitely will not help. What would be the best addition to address the dimming lights? Should these be wired a specific way? Thanks in advance!
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/13/2016Salih, Like the article says, the first thing you should do is make sure all the surfaces used in power and ground connections are scraped down to bare metal, clean, and all the connectors and the battery terminals fastened tightly together, Then you'd ensure that the battery checks out as well. If you still have dimming, then you may very well benefit from replacing the alternator with a higher output version.
Salih Taylor from Hyattsville
Posted on 12/13/2016Afternoon Buck, I just recently installed my MOFO-10 Power Acoustic sub of 2400 watts, I have a capacitor, and a stinger SPV44 battery. And the lights still flicker on. Any suggestions.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 12/7/2016Luis, If you already have checked over and ensured good connectivity with the power and ground wires and the battery checks out as well, you may very well benefit from adding a second battery or replacing the alternator with a higher output version.
luis from brick
Posted on 12/7/2016Hey there! I have an single 12 inch type r sw12d4 subwoofer...handles 1000 watts rms and I have it hooked up to an Alpine mrp-m1000 amp. The 4 ohm subwoofer is wired so that amp sees a 2 ohm load so that I get the most out of it. the problems I'm seeing is that when volume is turned up and bass hits my lights dimmed and volt gauge drops as well. I'm running 4gauge wire and also a 3 farad capacitor which helps a little.. any suggestions that you may have to help me fix this..thanks my car is 2002 monte carlo.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/21/2016Cliff, Like the article says, the first thing you should do is make sure all the surfaces used in power and ground connections are scraped down to bare metal, clean, and all the connectors and the battery terminals fastened tightly together. If you still have dimming after that, you can consider adding a capacitor or second battery or a wiring upgrade to your system.
Cliff
Posted on 11/20/2016Hi i have an emergency question, i bought 2 kicker comp r 12s with aftermarket dvd dash unit with cx 1200.1 amp set only half way wit control knob plugged my car does have 2 monitor in the back but doesnt draw current them selfs . my lights only dim when my vol go past 21 and i like my music on 25 vol seenig my voltage drop to upper 12s when bass hit tested by car electrical specialist they stressted it needs to be in the 13 volt range so my battery stsy charged and saying i dont need an alt because that not really that much current not goin full tilt and maybe even so my other have way more in cars or trucs doin just fine question is what should be my next step my car is a 2004 toyota camry le 2.4L thank you
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/16/2016Mike, Apparently that's a common problem, charging your device and playing music at the same time results in noise. Often, a car's cigarette lighter port shares its power and ground wiring with the radio, and the charging adapter's activity interacting with the vehicle's electrical charging system create noise through the audio system. Possible solutions include getting a higher-grade charger or installing a ground loop isolator or a noise filter.
Mike from soldotna
Posted on 11/16/2016I plug my i pods charging cable into cigaret lighter port and get electrical noises with engine running . If engine is off or I unplug cable interference stops. What can I do to stop interference from coming through the cigaret lighter port.?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/14/2016Eathen, If your car's electrical system can support it, an amplifier like Pioneer's GM-D9601, capable of putting out 1200 watts RMS at 1 ohm, would probably work great with your subs.
Eathen from Caldwell,idaho
Posted on 11/13/2016I have 2 ecw120 vm audiodont know if they are any good honestly don't care cheap buy and was on sale.., but they run about 1500 watt rms each they are DVC 4 ohm.., I have no idea what would be best for my car
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/9/2016Jay, Audio systems don't usually drain batteries unless they're played with the engine off. Maybe your battery died of old age - most batteries only last 5 years or so. Make sure you have someone check your car's charging system when you replace the battery. If your audio system is drawing so much power from the electrical system that the alternator can't keep the battery charged, then you probably do need an upgrade like adding a cap or a second battery.
Jay from Dallas
Posted on 11/9/2016Hey buck thanks for the input in advance, i have a power acoustik rated at 3000w rms amp and 2 alpine typer r rated at 1000 w rms each and a 400 w rms rated voice amp, my system recently killed a new regular battery and drained it completely, i purchased an optima red top battery but i am worried that the system will drain it as well, i am currently trying to acquire a soundstream 1000 capcell do you think that would help the system from draining the battery, im currently limited and not being able to purchase a performance alternator or doing the big three , would the capcell help or would it be a waste of money?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/7/2016Panda, Not knowing exactly what subwoofers you have make it impossible to recommend an amp. Are they single or dual voice coil? Are they 2 or 4 ohms? If you want a valid recommendation, you must identify your subs by brand names and model numbers.
Flyingpanda1014 from Caldwell,id
Posted on 11/5/2016I have a 2002 Chrysler Sebring Lxi and I have 2 12 inch 3000w subs (1500w rms each) what is the right amp for me and should I upgrade my electrical system?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 11/3/2016James, Hopefully, when you listen to music with the doors open, your vehicle's engine is either off or just idling. In that situation there is less over-all power available than when the engine is at cruising speed. This is normal and I think nothing to worry about.
james from derby
Posted on 11/3/2016i have a h/o alternator, big 3 with 1/0 cables, agm battery, 1/0 cable running to 2 amps that are about 2000 rms combined, and a capacitor. all connections are rock solid. headlights do not dim even with the heaviest hit, but when doors are open interior lights do when it hits hard. should i even worry about this?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 10/20/2016Zach, If you're playing just music, you may be alright without any upgrade needed. But if you play long bass tones and burps, you may need a second battery, a capacitor, or a high-output alternator for your electrical system to keep up with the amp. So, you don't have to do any of these procedures unless you do experience bothersome headlight dimming.
Zach from Huntington
Posted on 10/20/2016I have two Rockford P 3's with a Rockford R1200-1D. I am installing these into a 2014 Altima. With a yellow top optima AGM Battery. Should i add any other power source?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 10/19/2016Jorge, According to the folks at XS Power Batteries, the CA or CCA spec is more useful for determining a battery's short-term effectiveness for a car audio system. The AH spec will indicate a battery's long-term effectiveness for starting the car.
JORGE COLUNGA from Dallas
Posted on 10/18/2016Hi Buck, i have a silverado and have 4 aftermarket speakers, with 2 subs, and an amp. I just recently noticed the dome lights dimming when the bass gets loud. Im in the process of selecting a new battery. What specs should i look at when buying a new battery to make sure my sound system will work fine? Im not sure if higher CCA, AH, or CA make a difference. My current battery has 615 CCA 70AH.
Jay from Dallas, TX
Posted on 10/3/2016Thanks Buck for your advice i highly appreciate it !! your site is A1+
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 10/3/2016Jay, I don't think you should try to solve a problem until it arises. Your car's electrical system may very well support your entire system without needing an upgrade.
Jay from Dallas, TX
Posted on 9/30/2016Hey buck good afternoon, i just bought 2 alpine type r 12 2 ohm woofers rated at 1000 w RMS, and a power acoustik GT1-6000.1d rated at 2 ohms: 3000 watts x 1 chan. i know thats probably overrated, i also have an amp boss audio ch 250 ratings i found say 200 RMS x 2 but i know thats overrated as well running to 4 5x7 rated at 230 w peak each, i have an epicenter and a 2 fard CAP, i tried just the woofers and the power acoustik amp yesterday and there was no light dimming but im skeptical once i plug everything or else in or with time i might encounter problems, what do you think? oh and i currently have a 1998 chevy cavalier with a stock alternator no extra battery. do you think i might encounter problems in the future or anything?
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 9/9/2016Frankie, a) No: the Hifonics amp claims 750 watts at 2 ohms while the Rockford Fosgate amp claims 500 watts at 2 ohms. b) The only way to know is to swap amps and see. c) If you still have lights dimming, start by checking the charging system, battery, and power wiring. If they check out okay, then you'd move up to doing the Big Three or adding a second battery.
frankie from burbank
Posted on 9/9/2016hey buck, i just installed two rockford fosgate punch 3 12" 2 ohm subwoofers in sync with a bridged wire on the subs, going back to the amp at 2 ohms with a hifonics sues 1000.1d amp. my headlights the other day started dimming but i can't remember if my truck was running i think it was just off accessories power. my my overhead lights definitely dim. recently i bought the rockford fosgate Punch 1,000 Watt Class-bd Mono Amplifier and was wondering if i install that if a) it would give me more power. b) solve the dimming c) if it would need the big three upgrade or second battery. thanks!! personal message me if we need to discuss more
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 9/7/2016Terry, Long-term strain on your vehicle's electrical system may bring about premature failure of the alternator or battery. I'd start by having your battery and charging system checked out, to see if you can eliminate the issue altogether.
Terry from Virginia Beach
Posted on 9/6/2016Buck I have a amp that is rated at 70X4 @4 ohms and 440X1 for the sub @2 ohms. In a 2015 Honda Accord. Less than 800W. But at high volume levels I notice a slight flicker in my headlights. Which surprised me because I'm way less than 1KW. I don't listen to volumes that high all that often, and even more rarely at night when there is the added demand from lighting. Am I safe to do nothing? Any potential risk to other electronic components in the car when I am seeing headlight flickering/dimming? Thanks and a great article!
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 9/6/2016Mike, A 5A fuse for that line will be fine. I've forwarded your amp question to Crutchfield's Sales Advisor Team, and a member will get in touch with you by email to offer suggestions and help you choose the right gear for you and your vehicle. For immediate help, you can contact them via phone or chat - just click on the phone icon at the very top of this page.
Mike from Deland
Posted on 9/4/2016Cool sounds good I'm only planning on a 100 amp anl fuse on the 4 guage to the rear battery. Any ideas on a good amp for a reasonable price for that sub? What about putting a fuse on my amp remote wire to protect head unit from any short. 5 amp fuse good for that or what would you recommend? Thanks for all the help.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 9/3/2016Honey, 1100 watts RMS will probably strain the electrical of your small car. You may have to add a second battery or upgrade the alternator in order to provide enough current for your planned system.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 9/3/2016Mike, The fuses in power lines are there to protect the wiring and your vehicle in the event of a short circuit, not the amplifier. A 200-A fuse on your 1/0 line should be alright, but would be a hazard for the 4-gauge line. Otherwise, I think you should put your system together and find out empirically how it all works.
Honey from Lahore
Posted on 9/1/2016Hello im in process of installing a new sound system in my small car. I usually suffer from dimming light and low power when i was using a simple 4 channel amplifier and kenwood woofer. But now im going to install Lanzar 12" 1232D 2ohm dvc subwoofer its 1100 RMS and 2200 Watts and my amp is audiobahn which will give almost 1000 rms and i will use my subwoofer in 4 ohm wiring, I have 2 capacitors of stinger both are 1 farad. So what do you suggest me? Is my system okay or i have to make any changes? and can i use both capacitors for that amplifier will it help? I will wait for your reply thankz.
Mike from Deland
Posted on 8/31/2016Recharging. From my research the average amp for sub woofers draws an average of 1/3 its peak draw. So say 200 amps max draw of the amp would equal 67 amps continuous recharge needed to maintain the charge of the second battery supplying the amps power. So i figured that with 75 amps (1/2 my 150 amp alternator) would cover this no problem. So if class d amplifiers are 80% eff then the 62% number i found on the web is off (thanks for correcting that) so what i was looking for is your thoughts on if my plan in theory should handle what I'm looking to do. Also i need an amp recomendation hopefully not too expensive. Aside from what you have already answered and corrected bad info i had gotten, you said if i wanted to step up to 10 guage to reduce the resistance and ohms to the sub from the amp that would be fine and 12 guage is fine. I already have 12 guage wire plenty of good quality (i bought a large roll for my home surround sound system) is there any reason for me to not double up 12 guage wires to the sub to achieve the same reduction in ohms resistance to the sub? Sub will be in a fatbox custom made box and will be ported and tuned to 38 hz. (Most class d mono blocks ice looked at offer an adjustment for both high and subsonic frequencies. What should i set the amp to on sub sonic for this set up with a box tuned to 38 hz. I was thinking about 20 hz to cut off anything below that. I heard playing to low under that would damage speaker
Mike from Deland
Posted on 8/31/2016Ok. Due to lack of info on the web i couldn't find, i didn't realize the amplifier to speaker was low amperage higher voltage. Thanks for clearing that up for me. To better explain the other my car stock electrical system has a 150 amp alternator. From my research i believe that half of this (75 amps) is available for use constantly. I plan to put a second battery in the trunk of my car next to the amp and speaker box. I plan to run 4 guage wire to the trunk battery from the cars stock battery with a 100 amp anl fuse next to each of the 2 batteries. The trunk battery will basically only be recharging from the stock electrical system. The second battery in the trunk is a 92 amp hour 270 rc 880 cold cranking amp battery. From the second battery in the trunk i plan to run 0 guage power to the amplifier with a 200 amp anl fuse. Also grounding the amp and the second battery to the same grounding block i bought that will be installed in the trunk next to the second battery. I need a 2000 watts rms amp (need suggestions) for my orion hcca 104 sub rated at 2000 watts rms and 4000 watts peak. When i talk of burp i was using internet term for the peak draw of the amplifier during the heavy bass notes. From my research a 2000 watt rms amp needs a 200 anl fuse (why i chose that number) so assuming that during the heaviest bass notes it will draw less than 200 amp but close. I figured the second battery can supply normal power to the amp while constantly re
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 8/31/2016Mike, I'm not at all clear on what you're intending on doing with 1/0-gauge and 4-gauge wiring between a couple batteries and an amplifier. And a system made to play bass burps will have a vastly higher power demand than one designed to play music. But I can say your output figures are way off. An amplifier's power supply draws high current (amperes) from a low voltage source (12-14 volts) in order to produce its high power (watts). Amplifiers output high wattages through low impedance loads at high voltage and low current. For instance, in order for an 80% efficient Class D amplifier to put out 2000 watts RMS, it must draw 2500 watts from the source at 14 DC volts, and 178.6 amperes of current. That amplifier, putting out 2000 watts RMS through a 2-ohm sub, will be sending 31.6 amperes of current at 63.2 volts AC. 12-gauge wire will work fine in this case, but if you're worried about power loss through such a short piece of speaker wire (from amp to sub couldn't be that long), then you can step up to 10-gauge speaker wire, which Crutchfield carries.
Mike from Deland
Posted on 8/31/2016Sorry had one other question. At a burp of 190 amp draw figure (from what i understand) the average amplifier is only about 62% eff. That means my amp will send my sub up to about 120 amps of power. Everyone says that 12 guage speaker wire is all i need but according to the crutchfield chart at up to 4' in length i should need 8 guage wire not 12. What do i really need research on this side of the amp seems non existent. And should i fuse protect my factory stereo remote wire (i was planning to with a 5amp buss fuse and holder) and is that a good size fuse.
Mike from Deland
Posted on 8/31/2016I know that i need to install it first to really determine, but i wanted to get your opinion on my build as it will take a couple weeks to get everything and install it. 2015 Infiniti q50 sedan. Alternator 150 amp. I plan to run 1 x 10" orion hcca 104 dual 4 ohm voice coil sub. Plan to wire in series to 2ohm load rated at 2000 watts rms that way. I plan to run an amp that puts out 2000 watt rms @ 2 ohm. Got the wire kit 4 guage from factory battery to new 90 ah 270 rc battery in trunk. Plan to anl 100 amp fuse at both batteries. 1/0 guage power to amp with 200 amp anl near battery and 1/0 guage ground next to trunk battery. Leaving factory wireing alone. Based on my research I'm thinking I'm going to be properly fused as well as only using 2/3 if what that configuration can put out. ((2000w rms/13.8)/3 average duty cycles) is a recharge load to trunk battery of 48.3 amps. With the 4 guage and 100 amp anls from front battery to trunk battery gives me double that for burp needs. With the amp needing a 200 amp anl i figure 90ah for constant and the 100 from the recharge line from front battery should be perfect for amp burp under 200 anl fuse. If it matters I'm ordering a custom fatbox usa box for the sub. Do you agree/like my plan or let me know if I'm off on anything. I've got the sub and box ordered already and wireing anl fuses and fuse blocks in hand but returnable if needed Also any recommendations for amps trying not to overspend on the amp.
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 8/29/2016Jani, Although a voltage drop to 13.8 volts shouldn't damage any equipment, it sounds like you'd benefit by (in ascending order of expense) installing a capacitor, a second battery, or a higher-output alternator.
Jani
Posted on 8/28/2016My headlights are still dimming, after trying many steps to fix it. I have done the big three upgrade, bought a new battery and checked all the connections. My stock alt is 150A and my amp is 1,5kw rms. Using a DMM i have measured voltage drop from 14,2V to 13,8V during heavy bass and headlights are dimming. Is this dangerous and what should i try next to get rid of dimming? Second battery or capacitor? And yeah, i'm running 2 gauge full copper wires to power up my amp and grounds
Buck Pomerantz from Crutchfield
Posted on 8/24/2016Jeff, I believe the meter you're referring to is a volt meter, not an amp meter. Ordinarily a 500-watt amplifier shouldn't cause as large a voltage drop as you report. When you turn off the amplifier does the voltage go back up? Maybe it has a loose ground or power connection.
Jeff from Bristol
Posted on 8/23/2016I just had 2 shallow mount pioneer subs and a 500 watt alpine mono amp installed. 4 gauge wire was used. Truck is a brand new 16 gsm sierra. I noticed that now I'm running at 12.5 amp and prior to my install the truck was at 14amp. I would think that the 150amp alternator should be more than enough but the truck does have all sorts of bells and whistles (lane departure, nav, valve shut off, rear cam, front and rear parking sensors). It foes have a slot for a second battery under the hood. Was thinking about adding that in or a capacitor but havent heard good things on capacitors.
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