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Crutchfield: The Podcast Ep. 22

Maria and her family's favorite headphones

In this episode:

J.R. interviews Maria, one of Crutchfield's sales team leaders, about her history as a pro musician, the headphones that her husband and son love, and car installation whoopsies. After the interview, J.R. goes deep into the mail bag with co-host Eric, answering three customer questions about headphones.

Some of the gear discussed includes:

For more headphones resources, check out our Top 5 Most Comfortable Headphones article and our headphones buying guide.

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Hello and welcome everybody to Crutchfield the podcast. I'm your host, Jr joined in studio today by my co host eric how are you today? I am wonderful. So happy to be here in person at a safe distance of course. But in person it's it's great. Yeah. We can stick out our arms towards each other and not touch. So we are fully actually picture we were well short of being able to touch and he has long arms do mine aren't that long but his arm. So so yeah, we're here and we're recording another episode of Crutchfield podcast. This one focuses on one of our stars. You know, that's it's kind of tough. We've got over 700 employees at Crutchfield and we put a we put a premium on hiring the best people we can find cool people. Can't be cool without cool stuff. Yeah, if you've been working here for a while and you've yet to buy anything from Crutchfield, your chances of being on this show are pretty slim. So if you're if you're an employee wondering how to get on this show by some cool stuff and then and then want to talk about it. Exactly. So we found one of those employees, her name is Maria, she's been with us a few years now, I think about four years and she started off here as a spanish and international advisor. So helping our customers, not only with helping them pick out products but also helping do tech support of products and customer support. So anything after the sale before the sale. Any and all of that stuff. Oh, and she does it in two languages. That's right. So she's learned basically like right out of the gate. Here's three different jobs and do them in two different languages, right? Yeah. And so it takes a special type of person to be able to pull that off. Absolutely. She, and she impressed so much. She's done such a wonderful job. She's already been promoted. She is now a team leader in the sales department. So, uh, we've got her coaching our other people on how to be at least half as cool as her. So, uh, and I had the pleasure of speaking with Maria for a good long while about uh, some of the stuff that she and her family use and enjoy at their home. Uh, and we're gonna get into it, we're just gonna get right into the interview. You ready? Let's do it. This is Maria and me, you play, you play music, right? I do, yeah, I haven't done it in a while, but yeah, it's something I grew up with since I was six. So when I was six, my dad decided that um, he wanted all of us to grow up knowing something because his father was, he played trumpet. So my grandfather played trumpet and his father played trumpet. So it was just kind of something that he grew up with. So, uh, it was five of us have five siblings, including myself. So he was like, let's make a band and that's what we did, he we never went to school or anything, it was self taught um And we did that until I got pregnant about five years ago. We did that throughout the year, We played in quinceaneras, weddings, everything. So you had you had booked gigs and stuff like you were a professional. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We we we played, it was really funny because we ended up being the final act at one of the latin bars up in northern Virginia. And when we got there didn't want to let us in Because I was 12, my little brother was 10, my oldest brother's one was 14 and the other one was 16, so they're like we can't let you guys in, this is a bar and they're like well you won't have a band that's gonna close tonight. And we ended up going in, you know, it was straight straight to the stage once you're done straight out and that's how it works. So it was it was something I definitely enjoyed at something I would definitely do. Again. What kind of music did you guys play? We played regional mexican music. So with my mexican background, that's what we grew up with, that's what we grew up listening at home, so that's that's what we played, we played anything from like folk uh cumbias too, you know what they call? Um Well you guys would consider like country, we consider it kind of like Garrido. So it's kind of like the same thing that kind of talk about the land and the people. So that's kind of something else. You played played a little bit of everything. So you're talking about your, your, your truck and your dog and your dad dying or whatever, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. So how far away from that is like mariachi music? So it's not that far away because we do also incorporate some strings. Um, but we, it's not fully strings. So mariachis just fully strings, you know, guitars, violence and stuff. We did in corporate base. Um, regular guitar, piano, drums, depending on what type of music we were playing. So que cumbia comes from a wide range. So not just Mexico but Colombia and Argentina and other places like that. So we would play a lot of that. That has a lot of Congas in it. Um, some sacks, some accordion. So anything we could get our hands on that, that made music, we kind of threw it in. And were you guys multi instrumentalists or did you specialize in just one thing or what? Um, so I learned piano. Um, I had to learn keyboard more than anything because it, it involved a lot in the majority of the music we did. Um, we would get different sound cards that we would put into our core pianos that would make different instruments. That's what we used a lot to not have to hire a you know saxophone player, higher trumpet player, we would just do it on the piano. So um that's what I learned and then um we all learned conga, it was something that we all had to know how to play just because my dad wanted us to know the electric percussions, that's something we all learned to and drums to some extent, we all had to learn how to keep a beat. So my dad all wanted all of us to know at least how do you start to beat on a drum? So that's all we learned to. So yeah we can, we can pretty much slightly play everything. Um I have a brother who, he is just a musician by ear. He can pick up any instrument just twiddle it and he is on a roll. It's quite impressive. Yeah, it wasn't anything we learned right, It wasn't anything we learned learned but we all pick something up. We still do it. The instruments in the garage are always set up the majority of the time you just go in and turn on everything and just rock out. So family get togethers are playing songs and stuff is a big part of it. Yes it is. Yeah, that's awesome. Did you guys ever record or anything when we were, I think it was probably like 12 or 13. We did get asked to get signed by a um, Latin um recorder in texas. But my dad thought we were too young still and he's like, no, I want you guys to do this for yourselves for us as a family. If you decide to explore this when you are older, for sure, go for it. But for now I want you guys just to focus on school, making sure that you guys are doing this as a family. It was kind of the only thing we did as a family. Um, so it was a bummer because we were kind of, you know, happy and excited because we had actually submitted everything. We had to do a recording, submit it and send it out with a lot of other bands. I mean, people have been doing this for a year and for us to even get selected. We were like, come on dad. And he's like, no. So it was, it was a bummer. But we kind of knew where his head was at and now that we're adults, we realized that that was probably best. Yeah, he sounds very wise, definitely thank him. Absolutely, absolutely. So, so you've always been had electron in your life. I mean, I'm music. Yes, but what about the electronics side of things growing up? It was mostly pro audio. It was that, that's kind of where I got my experience of what is an amber, what does the speaker do or roll up the cable, the right way. You know, certain things that I didn't even think about that, that is a big deal, as a, as I play drums in the band and I'm also kind of the equipment manager for our band. So rolling up the cables, right? I'd rather you just go over there and sit at the bar and drink a beer and let me roll the cables if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. So let's get into it. You've been at Crutchfield now for what? It's been about five years, four years and I would have imagine in that time you've had a chance to buy some things, right? Some cool stuff that we sell that you like, tell me, what are you, what are you most excited about that you bought that you want people to know about? I would have to go for headphones. Headphones is something that um, I'd like to buy because I'm a giver, regardless that I work at Crutchfield, I don't have a lot of me time because I'm also a mother and a wife. So a lot of the headphones that I bought, I bought for my husband, um, he has a tendency of losing and quotes his headphones every so often. I think he does it on purpose, but he says he doesn't, so of course I get a lot of headphones. He, he is an outdoors guy. Um, he also works out. So, um, headphones was something that I knew as soon as I was working, you know when I started to work on crutches and I was like this is something I'm probably going to be spending a lot of And and yes it was it for sure was so we've kind of pretty much tried all of them to be honest with you from in years to over the ears to anything you can pretty much think of that. You know when I started a crutchfield in 1996 we sold somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 different pairs of headphones right from two companies, we had Sony headphones, we had Sennheiser headphones and that was kind of it. And you know, and then throughout the next 25 years things changed quite a lot and now people don't just have a set of headphones at home, they don't just have a set of headphones for working out. I think people generally speaking have five or six pairs of headphones each, which is why there's now, you know 30 or 40 different brands of headphones, we've got three or 400 different choices of headphones, every different style, everything from the high end audiophile stuff to the very inexpensive kids, you know, starter headphones and everything in between. And so you have so much to choose from. So what's tell me about the nicest pair of headphones, you guys have had the nicest pair of headphones that have to say where um from a brand called Phil I think that's you pronounce it f I l we sold them at a point in time. I actually got those from a giveaway. They came and did a training with us and um you know, as a lot of our vendors are generous enough to do some giveaways for us. And that was one of the ones I had one and they were fantastic until my husband lost them. Oh that's one of the ones he lost. That was one of the go figure. So um they were really cool. They were they were they had a really nice weight to them, the design was really nice and I think for us it's just we're not, you know, big fanatics of over the air, we're more of an air or more of wireless because it's just we're always on the go. Um So for us, even though those were the most expensive ones I've had, and they were really cool, they weren't actually the favorite ones. Yeah, I mean you probably know this, but we've done over the ear headphone comfort tests at Crutchfield, like we took a whole bunch of pairs of headphones and we had a whole bunch of Crutchfield employees try them on and rate them for comfort, you know, like how tight they are, how how how comfortable they are, how soft they are etcetera etcetera. And boy comfort is a big deal. I mean it's you know, it's one of the products that we sell that you wear, like most of the products you don't wear. The stuff, the stuff that we sell, it sits on a shelf, it sits in your car. But headphones probably the most intimate product that we sell. I mean it sits on or in your head and it's got to be right. Not it doesn't just have to sound good, it's gotta feel good. Absolutely. That's that's one of the things that when I buy for my husband um that's 100% his number one if it's not comfortable, I don't care how cool they are Or how much they cost. I don't want them, they have to be comfortable because we're using them 5-6 hours a day. And if they're not comfortable, you're not going to enjoy the audio. You're not gonna care what they look like. You know, you want to make sure that that that they feel right. So um I think that's another thing that has led us to using more of the in ear wireless because since we are on the go we are outside, the comfort for us is better with them. So the field headphones, the F. I. L. L. S. Those were the nicest headphones, but not your favorite. Tell me about your favorite headphones. Favorite would have to be these babies here. I don't know if you can see him. Yes. Um Everything about 10, 10 out of 10. Um The comfort is amazing on them. I have little tiny ear holes so my ear canals are really small. Uh I couldn't use any headphones but the regular apple headphones for the longest time because they kind of sit perfectly. Um these actually fit and that's quite you know something for me it's one of the things that I struggle a lot with comfort for headphones because I can never find one that fits right. I most likely always have to take off that protector ring from them because that's small as I need them. But these are perfect. These fit perfectly right. They sit right even though they have a little hinge on the back to kind of go you know over the ear like the back part of your ear it's not uncomfortable as as other headphones have been before. Um Their wireless they connect you know without an issue. Um My husband who uses them um a lot more um his 2nd 2nd language is english. He says the app is amazing. He said it's a no brainer. You just it's as easy as you can have an app to connect And you said he's an outdoorsy type person. Does he go hiking? Is he working out? Is he running? What's he doing with them? Yeah well he works outside, he is a farm manager so he is out all day long up and down. Um One of the things he loves about him was that comparison to the clips he had the clips um Yeah the true Wireless, the True Wireless the T five's I think they were really sensitive, they had a touch of the other part of him. So he didn't wear his be near his hoodie while he was out um or even move his head a certain way because they would disconnect, they would fall off those clips. T five headphones. I had a pair of the first generation, the first ones that clips made sounds like the same ones and uh clips redesigned them about a year ago. And so they're now it's the version two and they fixed all of the stuff that people criticized them for and the newer versions of the T. Five's from clips are pretty awesome. Uh They've and they've got they've got some for everybody. So if he's a little gun shy on the clips, headphones because they sounded great. Like that wasn't the problem. It was like you said it was the touch thing on the side was a little wonky. They have fixed all of that. They all have Bluetooth five point. Oh now the touch controls are different, they fit better so that clips, clips listened to Cliff's credit, They really heard the feedback and they basically fixed all the problems and the new T five's are pretty awesome, I don't doubt. So what about the kids? Kids all have headphones and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean they have one kid. Oh absolutely. I have one kiddo and um I got excited. He was like one, I think 1.5 when I bought him the JBL kids that we still sell, they are the JR 300 BTS, They come in different colors. I bought him a blue and orange one because he had a Youtube character that he followed that his colors were blue and orange. I was like that's probably going to give it a thing and he loves him, he loves him because again, he sees my husband wear him or when I have someone and he of course wants to be mom dad, so he'll put him on. Um I'm pretty sure we're gonna be using them probably a lot more now because my brother is giving him drum lessons so he wants to start rocking out and you know, we were listening to Queen on our way home last night because he was like, I have to practice the hat to listen to rock and roll, he's four but it's awesome. We're starting him at four. Um but I love them, I love them for sure because they have a gap of, I think it's 85 DB that is sensitive enough for kids doesn't go above that. So they last like, I don't think, I don't remember the last time I charged them. I mean they last a really long time, I've always been a fan of JBL so it was, it was really need to make sure that that brand made them work the right way and that's cool. That's important that you don't want to just throw headphones on a kid and crank the music up or let them crank their own music up because they'll do exactly what I used to do, which is turn it up way too loud. And I mean I still like it pretty darn loud but uh you know the more you do that early on the long, the worse it'll be hearing wise later on. So uh yeah, kudos to JBL for not blasting our kid's ears to oblivion early. Can you count how many pairs of headphones does your family? How many pairs of headphones do you currently own that are not lost. 83 people. Eight pairs of headphones. So that's more than norm these days. Is that we need a lot of headphones. Absolutely, absolutely. And it's because either, you know, you forget to charge one, you know if it comes to that or we have we have a pair in the car, we have two or three pair at home? We have a pair in the bedroom, we have some active noise canceling. So we've had those for the longest time. Is there is there a centrally located stereo system at the house? Like what's going on? Yeah. So there there is there is a central located one. We do have a sound bar and then we also have um the clips speaker that we use the clips, one that's kind of where we get a lot of our music from. Um even though we're home, we don't always watch a lot of movies or a lot of things at home again because we're mostly out of this pandemic has been really hard on us because we enjoy being outdoors. So, um, but other than that, we also have the bows revolved that we use a lot. We love it. It's probably one of the best affordable ones we have and we'll use that one everywhere. My husband will take a shower and he puts it in the bathroom or he'll be outside and just jamming it out as well. Um The kid who loves it too, it's, he knows how to use it. Like he so simple to use. He turns it on and knows what button does what and we're good to go. So that's the, that's the really durable sort of round one with 360 degrees sound, right? I remember when Bose came here to do training on that product the first time they were talking about how durable it was. And one of the things they did was they just threw it on the ground right in front of us. Yeah, there's like, yeah, sure. And they just knocked it off the table onto the ground and that thing hit with a, I mean it was, it's a heavy duty little Bluetooth speaker and we all felt it when it hit the floor and he just picked it right up and it just kept playing music and it kept sounding great. So yeah, that's a great little speaker. That's awesome. That's a bunch of good stuff. What else you got anything else that you bought from Crutchfield that you're like, I got to tell J. R. About this, you know, car gear for sure. I mean we all have cars, we all got to listen to good music. So um, It's it's been really neat learning that part of uh, electronics as well, learning how to do your own installs, understanding how to wire it and then teaching others. It's it's quite amusing for me to show my 30 year old brother, you know how to how to hook up some speakers because he would never think about it. You know, he's like, what do you know about car audio? He doesn't know all about installs like you do now. Not at all. Not at all. And it was so funny because he was recording. He's like in case my car turns on fire, I know who to go to. It was funny because he had he had no trust, but here we go. About three or four months after his install. He loves the things. So I remember when I got hired, I would, I I became the person who installed stereos from my mom, from my dad, from my sister. I also remember, I mean I learned all about car stereo at Crutchfield in training doing installs and stuff. But you know, most of the job, most of your job. Most of my job is not actually doing the installs, it's talking about it with customers on the phone or in chat. Uh And so in my head I understood most of it, but I needed to get out there in the cars and put it into practice. And I did and I've only I've only got like one or two horror stories where I screwed up something really really really bad. I think in my sister's car I ran a wire behind the dash and it got caught up in uh this was in like an older car where it had like you know the sliders for the heating and ventilating and air conditioning controls and stuff, the big sliders that you moved. And apparently wire got caught up in one of those sliders and uh she went to adjust and all of a sudden her H Vac didn't work. Her stereo didn't work. It was and she lived two hours away and this didn't happen until she got home. So I had to go up back to her house and it was, yeah, I learned a lot in those early days of doing insults. Do you have any horror stories or of years? All gone really well, but I don't know if you remember when I was in your training class because J. R. Of course is our trainer. Um When I was in your training class we were at the install bay at the store and I had been working with another adviser Dino um who is still an adviser here. And um we were hooking up a subwoofer in my Toyota Camry. We were almost done. We were so excited about the first people done getting ready to roll and we turn it on right, we turn on the car and you're like that sounds pretty good. I'm like okay, it sounds pretty good. You know, we were totally excited. We got your approval, we go to the back of the trunk, you know like okay you have a really nice factory audio system. I'm like thank you, you're like yeah I'm saying that because you didn't hook up the subwoofer to your aunt. So the subwoofer was installed but it was no speaker wire whatsoever coming from the M to the subwoofer. So we were like, oh you know we had, we thought we were done, we thought we were you know the top ones of the class that we had finished and we didn't even hook them up together. So fully installed, you had the subwoofer in the box and all that in there. But the amp was not connected to the sub and your system had enough base that maybe you didn't even realize that at first. Absolutely yeah. And then here I go crawling my little self back into my trunk to hook it all together and night and day difference Once when you hook up the sub up to the amplifier, it sounds so much better than when it's not hooked up to the amplifier. Eric have you have you done many car stereo installations yourself? I have done some installs over the years. And of course I used to work at a retail store where we had professional installers and I could see them being done quite often. You have all the time. You have any horror stories? Have you, have you ever done like a really bad install? Uh No, I've always, I've always had great resources to make sure that that doesn't happen. I've done, I've done one, maybe two. But they were well before I started working at Crutchfield in high school, my friends and I were like, yeah, we've got cars, let's put stereos in them. We didn't know anything about what we were doing at all. I had a 1980 Buick le Saber. So that radio was a shafted style radio behind a very heavy duty piece of steel in the dash, you had to pull the radio out from behind it as opposed to just coming straight out of the dash. Like modern radios do so to get the new one in. I mean it was many hours, many cuts on the hands. Uh and then I also installed an amplifier to go with it. And uh but the real icing on the cake was the brand new six by nine speakers. I was putting in the rear dash. I didn't know that there was a company that made like brackets to install those and hang them in the rear dash appropriately. So, and the screw holes didn't match up and I didn't have a drill. I didn't know what to do about that. So I literally used coat hangers to hang the speakers in the rear dash. They weren't attached to the rear dash at all. Uh, they were just kind of hanging there. So no bass response and I didn't know better. I thought they sounded fine, but that's a way to do it. That's a horror. It's a horror show. Like I, I I can't believe I have been admitting that on a Crutchfield podcast, but it was like, I was 16. I had no idea. I hadn't read a Crutchfield catalog yet. I didn't know anything about it. And your installation abilities have become marginally better than that, slightly better. Yeah, no doubt about it. And you know, in helping trainees do all those installs in training classes. That moment that Maria describes where you go from. Oh my gosh, I just spent all this time installing and there's no sound coming out. It's not working. Like it was from a high to a low. Such a low, that low is the worst, right, when you're there and hopefully you're there for two minutes. Then you're like, oh, I remember, I forgot to hook this up or that up or flip a switch or I need to connect the battery in my car again. You know, those basic things like that. And then the jubilation you experience from? Okay, good. I don't have to redo all the or undo all the work I just did. It actually does work. There's, there's fewer better feelings in the world of car installation, especially for a do it yourselfer. Right? Uh, when you're doing these things, there's gonna be moments like that. It's uh, you're doing some work that is, you know, and for the most part is done by professionals, but can very much be done by a do it yourself or that's kind of what Crutchfield is all about with the master sheets, the installation instructions, all the helpful articles and videos. That's the key. Right there is. We've got your back. If you're trying to do an installation on your own and you've never done it before and you are listening to this show. So you've heard of Crutchfield, you've got no excuse get your stuff. Crutchfield, you get free tech support. And it's not only for the installation, but if you have trouble setting the clock on your car, stereo, six years from now. We got your back on that too. So that's right. How has it been with the pandemic working from home? Mostly. I assume you're not, you're not coming into the call center every day anymore, correct? I started to go into the call center a little more about a month ago trying to go maybe once or twice a week um from being a sales advisor, I'm now a sales team leader for Crutchfield, so I now have my own team and I have a couple of my advisors who work in office, so for me it's, it's quite crucial to make sure that they understand that regardless that we're in this whole pandemic, that they have someone to go for, someone they can count on um so we can talk, you know, products about, so it's very important that we stay on top of our game as much as we can. Um it was definitely hard at the beginning, but you know, we're taking it day by day and I'm super excited, I'm back in the office, you know, I'm super excited to see more people in the office, it's really nice to just see people walk down and hear conversations like we used to have them Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it, even though we have to teach and talk about some highly technical stuff, all the connectivity, how sound works parallel and series subwoofer wiring. If it's, if we don't make it fun, it's a lot harder to learn that stuff and so Maria, thank you so much for talking to me, this has been awesome. Alright, so that was my interview with Maria, I think you'll agree, she is a superstar and like so many crutchfield employees. She started off as a musician first and I mean we love to find people that are into this gear, into talking about it, into working with people that are fun to talk to and they are also musicians. There's something, it's kind of, I don't know if it's even tangible, right? But if you are also a musician, you're passionate about music for sure. There's something there. Yeah, absolutely. You appreciate when things sound good and we have a lot of musicians at Crutchfield. Absolutely. Part of our D. N. A. Is uh is ingrained because of the amount of musicians that we have to work for us. Yeah, play music feel better. It's one of my sort of life mottoes and it applies to whether you're creating music as a musician or just making it possible to play music on your stereo. Alright, so let's get into some mailbag questions. I was trying to figure what makes sense to talk about here in a big, a big chunk of what Maria was excited to talk to me about today was headphones and all the headphones or families have. So we were we were we were looking through the articles that we have on our website about headphones where we have people posting questions. We thought we would tackle a couple of those questions here. So the first question is from scott scott. Alright, what you got going on, Scott says my biggest problem with over the ear headphones and hearing protection is my glasses. Having something, press on the arms gives me a headache every time, Interesting. Okay, you got any thoughts on, let's talk, we don't sell hearing protection products, right, but we do sell over 300 pairs of headphones, many of which fit over the years, and that's what he's specifically talking. And I prefer, I don't wear glasses, but I can imagine exactly what he's talking about. Um but I and I also do prefer the over the ear headphones, different types that are out there. They do it for most environments. I mean some environments, you know, we're both right now wearing over the ear headphones, it blocks out the outside. It makes a nice seal. They can be very comfortable and they can also though be heavy, they can pinch your head, they can be tight uh and so yeah, getting the right pair for the, for your ears for your head and if you wear glasses, that's a factor for sure. Uh Such a factor that when we did headphone comfort testing a year or so ago, we actually have an article about that, it'll be in the show notes for this episode. We factored that in, that was one of the questions we asked our Crutchfield employees that were trying on different headphones and rating them for comfort. Do you wear glasses or not? Or were you wearing them for this test? And uh the actually the pair of, of the pair of headphones that came out on top as are most comfortable headphones were the messy, classic and specifically eric, one of our copywriters, not you, Different eric. He said they feel really light. The headband design relieves pressure on the top of my head. Ear cups fit well and don't pinch my glasses against my head. Wow, that I think they just answered his question. Yeah. And they're not even why am I here? Yeah, I should have got this other area. Yeah, the other has got, the answer is no, and I couldn't agree more. I mean I've, I've got the headphones I'm wearing right this second have a similar headband and it kinda looks like a, like an upside down hammock for your head. It's kinda weird way of describing it, but that's, that's kind of what it's like. And that that way that the pressure of the headphones keeping themselves on your head is not just a rigid band across the top. It's not just the ear cups, it's, it's something much softer and more comfortable. Yeah. And and that's what I love about these. I'm bald and uh, so these are bald man approved for sure. It definitely distributes that pressure evenly across a much larger surface. I don't end up with those little spots on the top of my head, like if I have padding that goes across if I'm wearing headphones for a long period of time. There you go. Yeah, So I'd love that recommendation Scott the classics 99 classics. They're not even a crazy expensive pair of headphones. They're under 500 bucks. Uh, and they sound amazing and feel great. Jeff, our headphone guru also answered scott's question. Uh, and the classics, those are wired over ear headphones, Jeff had a better and a different solution for if you're looking for something wireless bluetooth headphones, which a lot of us, that's what we need these days. You want to guess at his suggestion, go for it. I was part of those, testing that testing process and if I remember correctly, the Bose quiet comforts, the 35s, I believe those also scored incredibly high and that would be a wireless Bluetooth solution. That's a really good guess. And I, I personally have a pair of Bose quiet comfort. 35s. I use them mainly when I'm mowing the grass. They're noise canceling. They do great for that. They block out the sound of the lawnmower and I wear sunglasses. Usually when I'm mowing the grass. So wearing those headphones with glasses on for hours on end because I have a large yard, I can say for sure they are comfortable with glasses on. That wasn't Jeff's suggestion. Well there's another suggestion. Jeff's suggestion is basically the closest competitor to those Bose Quiet Sony Wh 1000 XM three's, there's a newer version, the XM four's out available now and they, and the bows are equally literally side by side. I actually own the Sony's but I remember that in that one test, the bows performed incredibly well. There you go. All right. I've got another question from the mailbag. We have a twofer. Yeah, wonderful. We've got a multiple here. This one is from David from Westover Maryland. And his question to Jeff, Jeff is the guy that wrote the article. So he's asking Jeff. So another headphone question. Yes. Hello, Jeff, thanks for all the great info and research. You've done what headphone opened back with cord and AMp with a Dac combo. Would you recommend for mostly classical and jazz? Stream through a service? Like Spotify using their higher audio bit rates. This will be in a dedicated listening area. So the amp doesn't need to be mobile. And here's the bottom line somewhere in the $600 range. So we're looking at some really good options here. Right, no doubt. Yeah. So some sort of audiophile sort of level of headphone powered by a headphone amplifier. Uh that's going to play music from his computer from Spotify and not really in a portable scenario, but sitting at sitting in a chair listening to a dedicated music sort of listening area. Yeah, so it sounds like we could probably upgrade the Dac at the same time, have a headphone amp and some really good over the year headphones. So I personally own some HD six hundreds. Uh those are kind of old school Sennheiser model had them for about 20 years now. Um And I know uh that model lasted that was those were out for a long long time but I know they're no longer around there like hard to find these days. They're they're discontinued from Sennheiser. Um But uh that H. D. Series lives on with a bunch of different models. So you know I would be looking at those. That's a great choice. I love the Sennheiser especially the open back headphones I think that's a great choice. The headphones Jeff recommended were the odyssey L. C. D. Ones familiar with the plane are magnetic open back wired headphones. Yeah right. The the sort of crisp just super detailed sound out of these headphones is incredible plenty of good base and definitely want that and they will they will appreciate uh that's for sure. And the headphone amp that Jeff recommended is the wifi zen dak. It's a pretty small compact amp that really packs a punch. It can drive these headphones quite well. Doesn't cost a ton of money for both of those together. You've got money left over you take yourself out there you go. I like it right on. Alright we've got one last question and this one's a doozy. This question comes from Ralph from Felton and he says hi I am a paranormal investigator and looking for a good pair of headphones. Not sure if I need a covered ear or an inner ear headphone, I need something that can pick up sounds you normally can't hear sensitive to any sound. It's amazing how some headphones I hear more sounds than others and I'm tired of wasting money on headphones. I can't use any suggestions please. Okay. Um you didn't see that one coming, did you? Hey, you know, you know when we're qualifying folks for headphones, um people use headphones in different environments and listen to different things I think. You know, earlier we were talking about how there's not one pair of headphones that does everything incredibly well. Right? Um so, so we're looking for, I'm going with over the ear. Okay, Maybe maybe something that can block out some. So okay. Um now is he gonna do, we don't know if he's just going to use these, Here's the situation. Right? So if we had the benefit of talking to ralph from Fenton on the phone, we would have a lot of questions for ralph, we would want to know more about his paranormal investigations. What is an example of some of the sounds he's trying to here? Is he going to use these for music as well? Maybe. So we would want to know is is this, is he trying to like listen to these sounds like where would they be coming from? Would they be a wired headphone would make more sense. Something Bluetooth or wireless. Is he trying to block out the sound of everything except for these sounds and somehow amplify these sounds like in that case maybe studio monitor style headphones where they're, you know, uh made to hear all frequencies, but also to kind of block out just other things from. Yeah, and a good pair of over ear headphones that are closed back, Right. Might make a really nice seal against your head. And when you put those on, you kind of get lost into the world of your headphones and if you're not playing any music, you might be able to hear things that you normally can't hear. Would you say it would lift your spirits? Very nicely nicely done. I appreciate that. one. Another consideration might be some noise canceling headphones because and this might sound counterintuitive if you're a paranormal investigator. But a lot of noise canceling headphones have a mode that you can put them in that actually brings in the sound from the outside world. They have microphones on them designed to listen to the sounds around you and bring them in. Now. They're probably mainly designed for the sounds that you can normally here since those are what they are designed to actually cancel out. But they kind of work both ways. So that might do it or last and not least a good set of in ear, like um like a like a studio monitor in ear headphone with a with a good sort of rubbery felt e like spongy tip that seals up your ear. So a noise isolating headphone, which will again sort of sure, sure is a great call. Sure makes some great in ear studio headphones that are very noise isolating. So uh, so those are the type of headphones a musician might use absolutely on stage. So they want to be able to block out everything and only hear what's being piped in. So I wish I knew more about what ralph from Fenton the paranormal investigator was trying to do with these headphones because maybe we could then maybe have a more precise recommendation. But I saw this question and I just could not leave it unaddressed. I love it. I love it. Hopefully we can find a good solution for Yeah, I think I think that's possible and I think that does it for yet another episode of Crutchfield, the podcast. This one went several places we were not necessarily expecting and we loved every minute of it eric, thank you for coming over and joining me in the studio today. Thanks for having me once again, it was a blast. We'll have to do it again soon. Yeah, and please check the show notes on crutchfield dot com slash podcast. We'll have links to stuff that we talked about in today's episode uh and that's where you go. You can make comments right there. You can leave us questions. So if you have questions for us that we could address on an upcoming episode of Crutchfield the podcast, we'd love it. If you could leave it right there wherever you're playing this podcast though, whatever player you're using, make sure you like us, follow us. Subscribe to us, leave comments, review us all that stuff. It helps grow this. We're having fun doing it. We want Crutchfield to still pay us to continue making a podcast for the foreseeable future. So we just want more people to listen. If we get enough people listening by the end of this season, we have pledged and Bill Crutchfield has agreed to let me interview him about the stuff he loved so much that he, well, he already bought it because Crutchfield has it, but the stuff he actually took to his house and installed and uses. But that is something we don't want to do until we can say to Bill, hey, we've got a tunnel listeners and we are a fairly new podcast. We're still growing this thing and so please share it out. Tell your friends about it. And because it's a lot of fun, we think it's helpful, especially for this episode if you know anybody that's looking to get a set of headphones, a lot of headphone talk here. So, so yeah, thank you so much for listening. I'm jr this is eric and uh we'll see you in about two weeks.

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