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Crutchfield: The Podcast Ep. 31

IMAX theater vs. home theater comparison, a visit from Tech Support, and more

In this episode:

Check out another special audio version of our live-streamed show, Crutchfield Live, which you can watch on YouTube and Facebook. After watching Dune in both an IMAX theater and Eric's home theater, J.R. and Eric chat about the best parts of each experience. Also, Cris from Crutchfield's Tech Support stops by to talk about component car speakers and how his team of experts help customers every day. Staff writer and demo pro, Dave wraps up with the show with J.R. and they chat about integrating new and vintage gear.

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Welcome back everybody to Crutchfield the podcast. I'm your host. Jr joined in studio with my co host ERic. How you doing man? Doing great. That's good man. Happy holidays. Why? Thank you. Happy holidays to you. Yeah, man. So people are hearing this uh it's after, you know, thanksgiving week, it's not quite christmas yet. Lots of stuff going on. Hopefully everybody found that thing they wanted for their loved one to give them as a gift. Absolutely. Luck with that out there. I know that can be tough. Yeah, things are tough to find right now. Hopefully you're finding what you want. Go to Crutchfield dot com, start looking through specials. There's still a whole bunch of stuff available on sale and still in stock, frankly uh, be flexible and if you find what you want Buy it, the sooner you buy it, the more likely you are to get it in time for Christmas. All right, so this is a bonus episode, it's season three is coming soon, right? 20, were hard at work on that right now and uh, but we didn't want to leave you high and dry throughout the holidays. So what we are doing is we are repurposing our Crutchfield live content that we're doing on facebook and Youtube for the podcast and in episode number two of the best episode so far because ERic was a part of it. That's right. I was yeah, we brought ERic in because ERic and I get this, get this, everybody, we figured out how to get Bill Crutchfield to pay us to watch the movie Dune. Not just once, but twice, twice we watched it in the movie theater? And we watched it at eric's house because he's got a pretty baller home theater and we compared the movie experience in the theater compared to a home theater and we've got thoughts on where you should watch that movie. That's right and kind of movies in general, we get into a little bit of a conversation, it's it's fun and frankly we spent way too much time talking about this on our Crutchfield Live but it was a lot of fun, they almost had to pull me off of the stool there, you know, I thought I was going to get that, you know what's that long little hook. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I was about to get one of those or maybe the gong from the gong show that what we actually got on the stand up comedian on the side. Right? So what we actually got was the light, anybody that does stand up or has ever seen a stand up show like an open mic or anything like that. You get the light. That means when you're up there telling your jokes, you better wrap it up quick because it's uh I wasn't paying attention to the light, I was a little nervous, I've learned long ago. Don't run the light because my first time ever doing it live too. So that that was a little nerve racking. How do you like doing that? Is that, do you feel the pressure of being live? Not as much as I thought I so I think it went pretty well. Yeah. So well we're going to have you back. You'll be on more live broadcasts. In fact, we have one. We're gonna record here pretty soon. Oh wait, that's right. You're going on vacation. Well it happens. Yeah, timing was bad on this one. So episode three of the Crutchfield live, it'll probably become a bonus episode down the road as well, but it's dropping its happening this week. Uh, we're recording this thanksgiving week. So we've got some fun stuff going out. So something else we talked about in that live that you were a part of uh we talked about new products at Crutchfield, like the house of Marley speakers and just a pro tip here. There's some easter eggs in there for you. We dropped in some fun puns. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. And nobody noticed. I maybe you can comment, tell us whether or not you, you pick them up, see if you picked up what we were putting down. We also talked in that live about component speakers and how to install them in your car separate tweeters and stuff. We had chris from our tech support department. We're shooting some, we shot some videos really going into detail about how to install component speakers. Those videos are probably live now by by the time you're hearing this? So go to Youtube dot com slash crutchfield to see videos on how to install component speakers. The actual live video. If you want to see the video that you're about to listen to uh in this bonus episode, you can do that there. So definitely definitely check out our Youtube channel. Uh, if you want to hear my beautiful voice, go back to uh go, go, go find my personal podcast. Three things with J. R. It's available wherever you find your, go back and listen to seasons one and two of Crutchfield, the podcast submit questions were still taking questions for season three. We'd love to interact with you and answer and address any issues or concerns. You have our, you know, our ever growing listening audience. Yes. Heck yeah, so without further ado we're gonna get into a Crutchfield live. This is a bonus episode, we'll be back with season three in a few months, enjoy it. You're normally not too thrilled about live. No, I've kind of got a nickname I've earned around here. I gave it to myself, but you know, they call me six take because usually it takes me a lot of, you know, a lot of tries to get this right on a video that's not live where you got something you got prepared material, but you don't necessarily deliver it and you're not a one take. Wonder, you know, like some people, apparently this doesn't work that way, nope, nope. So here we go, there you go, whatever is gonna come out of your mouth, it's going out, so I can't take it back. There you go. So this is a segment, we'll call it, what's new at Crutchfield, it's a company house of Marley and it's a company that works really close with the Marley family, right? It's not just a name, you know, they're, they're aligned with the Marley family and uh, you know, they're making some really cool products that, you know, kind of have an interesting niche here at Crutchfield. They're very, uh, well, first off they're fairly affordable compared to some of the products we carry, to be fair. Right, um they are uh priced kind of for everybody, I think, and I mean if you're associating a product with bob Marley and bob Marley's legacy and his family, it's not going to be an elitist sort of a thing, this is not for the one percenters, right? This is really an everyman sort of line of products. Yeah, I think so, I really think that's what they're going with, especially with that pricing, but also very environmentally conscious, like more so the, then I think just about any other company we've dealt with up this, up to this point, House of Marley as a company, they've partnered with one tree planted, which, which helps with global reforestation, in fact, if you go to house of Marley dot com, you'll see that they right at the top there at one of the first things you'll see is there currently planting trees in the amazon rainforest? So it's it's not just lip service, it's a real thing, bob march would have insisted on something like that, giving back to the earth. Uh and uh and sort of following in in yeah, in fact, if you go here, it's respect for bob, respect for the earth, respect for each other, that's sort of their their tagline. They're also working with the surfrider foundation to help preserve the our our world's oceans. So, ocean preservation, Global Reforestation Reforestation with those two. They partner, they actually make donations from the profits from their products. Yeah, let's be honest. I mean the stuff that we carry here at Crutchfield, you know, a lot of times it's made with plastic and things like this like that. And they're finding ways to use different materials that are either recycled, recycled materials or recyclable or sustainable. So the front front of these speakers are bamboo, a bunch of different products from them. House of Marley get together. Duo is what you're seeing right here. This is a pair of bluetooth speakers that we have been listening to for the last hour or so. They're perfect for like next to a computer monitor, like a desk system. Uh and uh and also one of them is battery power so you can unplug it and yeah, so you know, your computer and yeah, you can pass around Um and uh I think that uh you know, to have a speaker that can serve two purposes. Right? Um that's another, you know, another way to be kind of environmentally friendly by once and have it do two different things. You don't need to buy as much that way. So I'm sure everyone's gonna love hearing you say that. So you don't have to buy as much, you heard it here first. Uh So in addition to speakers like this, there's some also very portable bluetooth speakers. There are lots of headphones to choose from. There's there's bugs in earbuds. There are over the ear headphones, noise canceling headphones. And I don't know if you're noticing these prices very, very reasonable for. Right? Right. Let's talk a little bit about some of those easter eggs. Um they do some pretty neat things with their products kind of as a tribute to bob Marley. And there's subtle little things like on that uh stirred up turntable there. I know that you're you're showing I believe his birthday, I'm gonna zoom in on this picture of the turntable. There you go. So that you can see right here on this little badge, you've got the house of Marley logo said Marley and then right below that there's some numbers, if you're a bob Marley fan, you already know what those numbers are. They are his. Indeed, indeed his birthday. There's another easter egg, you wanna talk about it while I go find it. Sure, yeah, so there is a tribute to the Jamaican flag um on any of the mini jack inputs are, I think some of the things you try those headphones there um and you'll actually see colors. First time I've ever actually seen that on mini jack input to have the little bands on the uh uh on the headphone jack itself, you can just see it there, you can see it. But yeah, that's the Jamaican flag, you can see the Jamaican flag colors on this little tag on the bag that the headphones come in. Uh and in addition to the one on the baggie, you can get these colors right there on the tip rings, leave on the sleeves. Did you have any other thoughts on house of Marley before we move on to our discussion of the movie Dune? Um no, I don't really, I don't want to get into the weeds on the specs, but you know when we, I had a chance to listen to these speakers specifically um you know one of the things that I would say about these guys um it's a small speaker, you know, doesn't have a crazy amount of bass, you know, you and I uh I kind of had slightly different opinions I think on it and I think that's okay. Um but what I found is you know, and this is just a pro tip for everyone out there with small speakers if you push them in a corner or get them up against the wall, you know the base increases, it was a much fuller range sound experience and uh you know then I really dug them so it's called the proximity effect. You get them closer to the wall. The the base will be amplified by about three D. B. And it made a noticeable difference. The base got lower, got deeper. Wasn't quite as tight but it was more especially for speakers these this size you want you want a little bit more base, there's no sub out or anything. So with this particular pair of speakers you're you're gonna you kind of get what you get which is very fine for most people sitting at a desk with a computer. These are significantly above average computer speakers. Alright let's talk Dune. Okay let's do it. The reason we're gonna talk about the movie. Dune has nothing to do with the story at all. We did see the movie, we're probably not the right people for that. We're not we're not. Movie reviewers were not going to comment on the narrative really or how much was in part one. And what's gonna be in the rest of the movies that they haven't even made yet. The books have you read? No I've not read the book. Have you seen the dune movie from back in the 80s. The David Lynch version. I have not, I saw it when I was nine and I don't, it was weird. I wasn't sure what to make of it at the time. Again, I was nine. I never watched the series. So we both of us went into this not having really any familiarity with the source material. So why did we go see the movie? I like to look at what's going on in the industry. And what I have noticed is, you know, a lot of the sites that I tune into to kind of gather what's going on in the industry and you know, what's new in technology. There's been a lot of talk about this movie. You know, a lot of folks in the industry were excited about it. So I kept hearing a little excited. And even on the, you know, the movie reviews themselves where they're really talking about the story, many of them commented that, oh, you shouldn't bother even seeing this movie on your home theater, on your tv at your home, don't watch it, your computer, your tablet, your phone, you need the big screen, the big sound to get everything there is to experience from this movie. And so I think we, your idea basically was for us to put that to the test. We went to our local Charlottesville movie theater uh, and went to the imax showing at one o'clock on a monday. And then a couple of days later yesterday we went to your house and watched it on your home theater? Uh So can you talk a little bit about imax? Like why is an imax experience better than your typical movie theater? Certainly better than a home theater? What makes imax so special? So imax is about getting, you know, making that picture just fill your whole field of vision, right? So that's one way to, you know, to make an individual feel like they're part of that movie to really experience it is to just engulf you in picture and preferably and sound as well, right? Like that's that's a huge part, that's what we want to talk about here. Um but you know, we we sat right in the middle, you know you got to pick the perfect seats, you know and um you know it was good for sound, you know, our field of view was really wide as far as the size of the screen itself and you know, it was immersive. It was it was pretty awesome. This is the first time I had been to a movie, I was gonna say two years. It was kind of weird going to a, what is with you for 11 because we were kind of skipping work and two because you clearly haven't been a movie. So I go to the movies once or twice a month easily. I think the last movie I went to was a lego two lego movie brought your kids probably, but you clearly didn't. I mean when we finished the movie, you still had three quarters of your popcorn and most of your bottle of water. I did not think the medium was going to be quite that large. Like I think I have buckets I've gotten from you know, hardware stores that were smaller than this bucket of popcorn. Most of my large popcorn and my soda, I brought it home to my kids because I felt bad that I went to a movie, but so I got you in the movie theater for the first time in a couple of years. Uh and uh what do you think it's a big movie, huge screen, huge sound. The special effects were amazing. Um and it felt like that was the right place to watch it to me. Yeah, sound was ginormous and very, very loud and so loud, so loud that you started to wonder is it need to be this loud? And then you would, it would go from some big, loud, explosive type scene to something very subtle and it would sometimes do that very quickly. Uh and it would sort of suck in and in that way the movie itself is very dynamic, right? It goes from very loud to very soft and back money many times find yourself leaning forward when they start talking because there's a lot of that quiet dialogue, right? So when it's hitting like peak loudness, it is pushing the limits of your ears a little bit and then when it gets quiet, oh you can hear pins drop, you can hear sand moving, there's lots of sand in a dune go figure, but you can hear all of those real subtleties and that's because of just how much power and speakers and sound there is in there. I thought that was fantastic. We've got some comments coming in, robert says he watched dune at home with the sound bar and base, I presume some sort of subwoofer that probably goes with your sound bar and says it was a great sound experience. Yeah, so I'm just glad to hear you didn't watch it with like just your tv speakers, robert, so I would have let you down a little bit if that was the case. Yeah, you would have missed stuff for sure. Alright, so the imax experience was big, it was awesome. I took some notes after the movie. On some scenes I wanted to watch when we got to your house. Yeah, I saw you over there sketching stuff. So I think I I wrote one note down and it was that it was super loud, it was loud, that was my notes. There was a scene where two people are in like kind of like a helicopter thing and there's lots of noise outside, but then there's also the dragonfly helicopter. Yeah, Ornithology I think is the name and then but there's also some subtle stuff going on inside. It was a neat scene because it required both a sort of a big sort of sound field as well as subtle detailed stuff kind of at the same time and I was very eager to see how your home theater handled that before we talk about that. Tell us about your home theater. Yeah. So what do we have? I've been here a long time. So um so over the years I've I've slowly uh grown my home theater and currently uh as we were listening to it, I think it would be a, Let's see, 7.1.2 because we actually used the height speakers as that. Most speakers and your height speakers aren't in the ceiling above us, which there was times when we kind of wanted that, but they're on your front wall like above your front left and right speaker. Okay, so a lot of speakers and it really, that experience makes me want to go back and rearrange some things and you know, try to try to do a little bit more in there, but we'll get to that eventually. Maybe that could be another subject for another day, plenty of speakers in this significantly smaller than a movie theater room. Right? Uh Subwoofer. We had plenty of bass. We had, we turned the sub down at one point big dev tech. Yeah, you help me kind of tune that because we wanted everything loud, not just the base and at first we were kind of feeling like it was really just the base that was overpowering the room. So we tuned that back I think it's a lot more balanced now so I appreciate your help with that. But uh yeah I've got a big center channel and I'm a strong believer that the two most important speakers in the home theater setup are the center channel and the sub over most of dialogues coming from that center channel, that makes sense. Um and the subwoofers where you get that impact and in some cases depending on the sound, the size of that center channel could be also where you're getting your warmth and then all those other speakers that's the spice. See what I did there, Kenny knows Kenny knows what you're doing because Kenny just said I watched it at regal cinemas. Pr R. P. X. R. P. X. Is regal premium experience and it's supposed to be even better than imax according to regal cinemas, which we had one of those locally. We do not, we just had the regular old regal imax robert wants to know, how many times have you upgraded with the new equipment that keeps coming specifically asking about eric's system. Mm I've upgraded quite a few times over the years. Um maybe I'm onto my fifth home theater receiver but you know, it's kind of what we do to write and you know, I was thrilled I think yesterday to be completely honest I think was the first time I ever saw my surround sound receiver light up and say and I was kind of excited about that. Yeah to get to and by the way to get it to play we logged into my HBO max on your Apple Tv. Thank you for that by the way are you logged out of my HBO max? I am most certainly not and I appreciate it. All right well uh if if I get any alerts from HBO I'll go to your house and log log you out. Uh but yeah through the HBO max app, through a really good internet connection uh and through your router and all of that you got full on four K. Uh Dolby at most. So my tv is a 75 inch Sony XPr that's a couple years old. It's great television. Um and uh uh you know we decided not to put it directly into that because I think it would not have used at most coming out of my older model Sony right? You didn't have the new HBO max app on the Sony tv. We had to use your Apple tv. Don't do that. Yeah exactly. Uh so let's talk about, we talk a lot about the sound. In fact that scene that I asked you about where were there in the helicopter like thing and there's the loud stuff and the quiet stuff all at the same time you know theater did pretty good with that. Yeah it did you know there was you know the the energy of the environment around there and then you know there's dialogue going in the cabinet in the cabin which is a lot quieter, braking, a little you know bright sounds like little things and whatnot going on around you. Um and then uh you know I don't want to give away too much, I don't wanna give away too many spoilers here but but you know there's a part two so you know, there you have, it hasn't been, it's not quite in production yet. But yes there should be a part of this was called part one. Uh We got a question, I think you are the guy to answer this question. Uh David from Youtube says I need a good Dolby at most a V receiver. I like Yamaha. Please recommend me one. I love Yamaha, I don't have the tools in front of me. Uh Are you can peer over at my screen my paper if you want. But I've got a home theater receivers pulled up. I've filtered out everything except for Yamaha. And let's see, do we have a filter on here for Dolby? Atmos right here, nope. Not that's multi room under surround surround sound formats Dolby at most. So five out of our seven, Yamaha receivers have Dolby at most. The challenge here, you know before we even dive into the inventory challenge is really gonna show itself here? Um you know, first my question would be how many speakers were looking to fire up. Right. How many channels of power do we need? If you're doing a five traditional 5.1 and you want to add your two channels in your ceiling or as maybe toppers then seven channels of power would would be adequate. Right. Think of seven as a minimum that is absolute minimum. Typically we like for our customers we would normally recommend an additional two channels of power from whatever they think they need today just to give yourself some flexibility to either add additional speakers or maybe power another zone. So if you know you want seven speakers get a nine channel just so you've got some headroom, some upgradability. Things like that. Make sense to me. So we've got five here. We've got a couple of 7.2 the Yamaha vintage A two a four a. Uh er V. Six A. All of these like you said are showing us out of stock because there's a lot of people watching movies in their home theaters these days. Uh And but actually I just want to point out real quick that some of these have an E. T. A. On them. Yeah so if there's an E. T. A. There and our websites allowing you to do that you know preorder is definitely the way to go. Um It is an estimated time of arrival. But the fact that there's a date at all. Very encouraging. We're pretty sure they're on on their way to us right now because Yamaha has told us that and the ones that say no E. T. A. We don't know when they're coming in. But so if you're interested in getting one we've got a couple of choices. I do like a vintage. They have a little bit of warranty. That's their good stuff. That's Yamaha's good stuff and you know, I've been lucky enough to own a vintage in the past and it treated me very very well. So and David did comment back and said he's using all you need 7.2. You need some point to then actually that I think one of those Vintage units that were set. I don't see one right now that we have access to that nine. But if 7.2 is enough of course with Yamaha. If you ever want to do additional uh power for another zone, if you decide you want to do that, you've got the music cast that's built in there. So there's more than one way to do that. You don't necessarily need those extra channels of power to do it. But uh you know the The ones that you're looking at there I think would be a great solution. Can't go wrong with any of them. As far as quality of Yamaha goes the functionality. The features, they're pretty great stuff. Is that what you have is a Yamaha. No. Currently. Actually Dennin. I I have a Yamaha. I have a sort of bare bones 5.1 channel actually watch doing in my house last last night. So I've seen dune three times now. It was better on nine channels with a big sub. I'm glad if not, I would not want you to tell my wife if if that was not the case. All right. Let's talk about the tv because yours is, I only have a 65 you have a 75 inch were sent about 9.5 ft away. Actually moved my couch a little closer right before the movie, you know, trying to get used to a bigger screen so that I can then move the couch back and get a bigger tv eventually. And despite how much, how close we were sitting to your 75 inch, it still didn't feel big enough. I know for a fact that you know, we had grabbed a bite to eat during the movie and you know, we were leaning forward to eat and then we kind of stayed in that position. Right? We wanted the screen to be bigger and granted that was coming right off of watching it on an imax theater. All right. So what's, what's our final recommendation? I got to see it in the theater? Can you watch it at home theater in your home theater and be okay? Uh there's definitely advantages to both. Right. To get the most immersive experience. Usually you're going to need to go to an actual home theater to a movie theater for that. Um, I love being able to pause, I love being able to go back in my house and rewind to catch that dialogue that maybe I had missed the first time. Things like that. Obviously the, that's a nice way to do it. I don't think I'd want to watch this movie. What if I didn't have additional speakers, you know, sound bar? That might be kind of the, the entry spot of good sound bar, you know, with a subwoofer that you can get some of that impactful feeling because really to me the movie, the emotion came from the score of the movie, not necessarily from the, you know, the emotional development of the characters themselves. It really came from the music. There you go. I just threw that out, but there you go. Uh, any parting words before I kick you out and bring chris in. Mm Not that I can think of, you know, if I had like three more takes, I'd come up with something really clever and funny though. Yeah, well we don't have time for that. There you go, we're gonna move on. We're gonna talk about component speakers with chris from our tech support department. He's been with Crutchfield quite a long time. Uh, and is a team leader, supervisor, trainer, guy in tech support. I have your title correct? Yeah. Tech support training supervisor, Tech support training supervisor. That's the literal title they gave me last year. So the main reason I wanted you in here today was to talk about component speakers and installing component speakers. And this worked out timing wise pretty fantastic because just earlier this week you and Shay one of the folks from, from another technician, we're at our retail store doing an installation in the two to make a video. We've been doing twitter week, we started monday, we did a couple of vehicles monday then we did the one vehicle on Tuesday and we did a couple more installs on Wednesday and a lot of that is we caught b roll the fellas came by and shot certain things so that it will be a demonstration of the four or five major ways of actually installing, mainly the hard part being the tweeter install portion because this is one of the hardest things for most people to do is to figure out how to put this guy in their vehicle someplace a lot of times there's a location you can go back to. But the trouble is the aftermarket systems are not manufactured. Generally speaking, there's there's a few dedicated, you know, sets of speakers that we have that are made literally to drop straight back in. But the broad majority of aftermarket component speakers are made where your wool for portion is gonna fit pretty much right back in. But then you've got to do some finagling to get the tweeter into the car. We've always treated tweeters as a custom installation, correct? Right. Because for many years cars just didn't have twitter locations. Now more of them do. But even when they do it's not like you can just take the other tweeter out and pop the new one into that same spot. Right. It's not that simple, correct, correct. Yeah, the car that we were doing on Tuesday, the video that the guys shot, they actually, we were able to demonstrate to of the methods that you might go back into the car with the tweeter was located in the door panel and there was an existing bracket tweeter assembly. We removed that. We'll literally shaded shays basically a top level installer. He had 17 years of experience at another retailer prior to coming to Crutchfield. He's been here about 14, 15 months now. Um, he's great. He's a really good, really good installer is relatively Crutchfield, but he's very experienced in the world of installation. Exactly, exactly. He wasn't starting on ground level when he got here like a lot of trainees do. Uh, so, uh, like I said, he had the impetus for the internal training materials and I went, I see where this is going, let's let's get the video people involved and get them to make a fantastic, you know, public ready type of video. So you joe customer will be able to keep an eye high on our youtube channel. youtube dot com slash crutchfield when this video is finished being compiled all the different ways to mount tweeters where you can put crossovers. All these kind of issues are gonna be covered. Will it be just one video? Will it be multiple? Do you guys know how that's going to shake out yet? I believe it's gonna be the one video. One big fat video. That's all about component speakers, right, components and mounting that the hard part. Doing the tweeter mounting. So turn notifications on subscribe all that stuff. Then you'll know when that video is coming out and if you have any questions about components hit us up. Now we'd love to talk about that the way to mount tweeters. Let's do that real quick. And then I want to talk about where you put the crossovers. So tweeters, flush mount surface mount brackets, all that stuff. What's how do you typically do it? Well, you have to take a look at the given vehicle that you're going into. Um, if there is an existing location that this is going to be able to go into. We might have in some cases, in, in very few cases, unfortunately there there's a bracket where you can use a hole saw, cut a hole in the bracket, mount the tweeter into that and then that bracket will screw down back in place. That's common dashboard type amount. Um, sometimes you don't have an existing location at all. So you've got to line it up and figure out where you're gonna put them exactly very often, that's on the door panel. Uh, demos of that when you see the video basically using a hole saw to cut a hole into a door panel and then you've got to figure out where your crossover is gonna physically locate when you're doing them on the door panels. The crossover itself, we try to locate that to preserve the life of this thing, centrifugal force the force of a door slamming, you know, opening, closing your doors all the time. That's wear and tear on these boards inside these crossovers. So we try to always, any time it's gonna be in a door, we don't really put it up inside the door. We try to find a space in behind the door paneling between the door panel itself and the frame, the metal frame of the door and we try to put it as far forward on the door as we can because that shorter swing at the front end of the door is less impact on the electronics. So we get this securely mounted to that door. And if you do it right, A few zip ties a little bit of Tessa tape, possibly some double sided sticky on the back, depending upon the physical aspects of your crossover, we might even take this back off like this maximum ultra cross over here has mounting screw holes on this side so we can take the bottom off of it. If I could get it to snap off is it screwed together right now. So if you've ever replaced speakers before, you may have done it like two way speakers or three way, that's where, that's where your tweeters just kind of built in. Usually those fit without much fuss because there's maybe some brackets and some harnesses, you take the old ones out, you put the new ones in and you're pretty, pretty well done with components. There's more to it clearly chris just talked about mounting that twitter. You're gonna have to find a place to mount your crossover if your compote system comes with that. The big question is why does somebody want to go through all of that? What is it worth it to get a set of components? Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean if you're into sound quality, if you're into sound quality and potentially high output from your speakers, then that's definitely something you're gonna want to explore to install in your vehicle. It's, it gives you better imaging for example, you know, the tweeter itself, if you're looking at it, where it's gonna end up on the door, usually it's up much higher, usually up above where the wolf for will be. So this is like usually kind of down low in the door panel and its handling mid ranges and and to its capability it'll it'll play the bass here ranges of sound. But then this the tweeter is really where you're getting your imaging from your projection, where you're perceiving your voices and high frequency, those very directional sounds. Exactly. So having these position up higher in the door is much better because in in the case of a CO ax, you end up with the tweeter mounted co actually that's why they call it that because it's literally mounted co actually to the main wall for and you've got this stuck on the front of it like that and you put a two way or maybe a three way speaker in and it's down low in your door panel. So now your tweeters where you're getting all that directional sound from is blasting into the side of your kneecap, you know, or your calf down low. So it doesn't make for great sound. I mean it's okay, it's better than the factory stuff. Tweeters, tweeters positioned up higher, giving you that better soundstage raising and elevating that sound stage in front of your car. Tweeter positioning makes perfect sense. Why do I need that big crossover? Well the crossover is what separates the frequencies. This will burn up the tweeter will be gone. So the crossover exactly cannot do base. So the crossover is a passive method here. Inside this little box there's capacitors, coils, reason few different little items. They're all designed and built together so that we can pump a signal in here from amplification either out of our head unit or are separate amplifier and then piping out from their own channels will be the high range for the tweeter and the mids and lows for the wolf fur. So it separates that out for you draw back to that is a loss of power. You do dissipating heat, about 30% of your rated power through a crossover, like a typical co axial or two way speaker with the tweeter built in has some form of that. Right? Usually a little tiny capacitor kind of glued to the back of the speaker to keep the tweeter from playing bass and that's kind of it. Right? So the crossover in a component system usually more robust and better at directing the right frequencies to the right speakers. Do. All component systems come with a big crossover like that. That has to be no, no, they don't. Uh you saw me pick this up, what you were doing, this is this is much easier to use in line crossover. This comes with the speaker's not all speakers come with an in line, let them come with a box like this, but this in line crossover lets you literally attach this in line on the speaker wiring headed up to your twitter and this will protect the tweeter and in that situation, what what they do is the tweeter gets this connection and it's not going to get any of the low frequencies and then the wolf for whichever one is going with it will either have an induct er on the back of it itself. And so that right there on the back of this guy. This this coil also known as a choke and conductor literally that low pass filters. This wolf fur. So the low pass filter for this guy has been right on. There's a term known as mechanical roll off and basically just because it can't vibrate that fast this this wool for won't make those sounds but occasionally you can get colorations in the sound that are this thing mechanically rolling it off. So sending high frequencies to a bigger speaker that is made to do low frequencies isn't gonna damage it because it will naturally just won't damage it at all. But it sending low frequencies to a twitter will damage the tweeter. You're you're basically protecting your twitter as well as being more accurate about which speakers playing which frequencies Exactly these guys are working together as a system. Right? They're not they're not co actually mounted like a two way or three way would be. And for the record this is an Alpine type s component system. That's the one that came with this in line twitter crossover. Right? So that piece on the back there. The induct er combined with this capacitor and resistor in here uh These guys combined to make a two way system and really excellent excellent sound quality out of those last consideration here when choosing component speakers that you can spend 100 ish right around there. You can spend thousands of dollars. Oh yeah and how do you choose? Well how do you know which component system is the right one now? I mean I train the sales advisor so I know how I train them to choose. But I'm curious from a more technical side of things. How do you choose and to to sort of go into that? Are you cool with making an actual recommendation based on some limited info that we had from a customer? We have a viewer, a youtube channel follower. His name is Summit google. I hope I'm saying that right to me. He posed a question to us within the past couple of days, perfect amplifier for the morale tempo ultra 602 components paired with Morel tempo co axial. So what it sounds like we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to connect some dots that Summit did not connect for us right. We're making some slight assumptions here in the system, but if we've made our assumptions correctly. We, we do know the moral tempo 602. We've got all the specs and everything on them. These are wonderful speakers, Great choices. He posed the question and talking about the morale tempo co axles. So we were assuming that they're also going to be the 6.5 size since the components were and that's what I've got here on my screen. So these are the moral tempo, Ultra 602 to meet mentioned? Uh, so a complete component system, just like we were looking at here and if we go down and look at some specs, we can see that they are able to handle up to 120 watts of RMS power. Uh, their sensitivities rated at about 90 DB. And if we dig a little deeper, we'll see that there are four own impedance. So we need 100 and up to 120 watts at four ohms for the components. But he's also mentioning that he's looking at some morale tempo co axles, which are those two way speakers? Probably his back speakers. Right? So we don't have enough info to know exactly which model he has. So we're gonna assume, right, assuming they're the tempo 602 is those Ultra Integra as I think they're rated for 1 20 as well, which is actually 1 10. It's basically the two way version of that same component system. Right? So they cost a little less, they don't have the separate crossover. The tweeters built in. So same exact speaker doesn't handle quite as much power. That's the difference with that crossover really. Right. So what, what for, what's the perfect amplifier for a pair of these and the pair of the 602 components? Well, it depends. So are you going strictly for sound quality. How quiet is your vehicle? Okay or do you also have to go for, I need it as loud as I can get it because my car is noisy, right? You've got to overcome road noise, wind noise, all this kind of thing. The inside of the car, the cabin might be fairly noisy. I mean this week, uh, in the last couple of weeks, you know, I've been in a diesel truck and I've been in, you know, small coupes that were pretty quiet, that kind of thing. So it depends. Uh, so I get two answers for you. One actually, you, you recommended that morale mps, 4.400 at 70 by four RmS. And I think that's a very good recommendation. Um, I also, we've got, we've got a, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We've got three morale car amplifiers. Two of them would be perfect for this. One of them is a four channel, which is that for 400, you could also get a five channel. If you're thinking about adding a, uh, then you've got that fifth channel to power that low end and get the base. It also makes a sub amp, which is not really applicable to this system, but you know, either of these two amps would definitely get the job done. They would both do a fantastic job more. Yeah, I looked at going towards the high end on the power as well and I looked for an amp that I thought would do a nice job with that and based on the specs and the history, I'm going to go with the Alpine X a 70 F. That has an 87 DB signal to noise ratio on it. Which means it's very clean, very clean sounding. Uh, and at 1 20 by four R. M. S, it's going to be in the right power range for both sets of speakers and we can tune it properly. We can take that amp and put it into a system where you're using these two sets of speakers. Uh, if the vehicle's noisier and you are gonna want a little more power to overcome that noise, I'd go with the Alpine. If it's a really quiet vehicle. You know, if you've got a Mercedes or a well built Honda or something, you know, like an accord or whatever and you cruise around and there's not that much cabin noise in it. You're mostly a street driver. Then I would say that I'd go ahead and go with that 4.400 because we don't need to match maxed out power for the speakers. It's, it's not something you have to do as long as you get just because you can handle 100 and 20 watt doesn't mean you have to have 100 correct? Exactly. Just cause it handles. That doesn't mean you have to need that right now if you want, if you want to go for maximum output from the speakers that they're capable of cleanly. Yeah. You, you match that number and get that. But if you're just going for sound quality and your car is relatively quiet, that 4.470 by four is in the sweet spot. The power band, you know, like people talk about tuning a, an engine and they describe, you know, in the system where the power band of the engine produces best power, well, speakers handle and perform best in a power band in a range. You know, you don't have to maxim out, But you don't want to go too low either. So you want to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 40, minimum in your aunt, maybe 50% of their rated power up to that 100 watts. And somewhere in the 70, range is really gonna be like ideal for your power from the upper end of their power range. Somewhere in that neighborhood, you're gonna get what you paid for on your speaker. Oh yeah, but definitely don't go over because if you, if you do go over on the power rating and you apply more power to the speakers, then they can actually literally are rated to handle. You end up with a situation where the manufacturer won't want to warranty your speakers for you because they're like, hey, we told you they handle 100 watts and you put 100 and 50 watts on them. You know, 50% more power than they were designed to handle. That's a lot, that is a lot of extra power. And you know, there's uh, there's ways to deal with that. People that have been installing for awhile might argue with you, but we can fix it in settings. Yeah, we can totally fix it and setting it to sort of adjust for that. Oh yeah, totally. It's a little deeper than we might want to go into today. But there are ways to tune the amps so that even if you do have a amp with a bit of extra power, you can tone it down in most cases. Yeah. So I'd have to have the literal equipment list and look at it and tell you yes or no, you can do that or you can't got a couple of comments coming in on Youtube. David Lewis says, it's like meaning talking about component speaker systems, It's almost like having a floor standing speaker in your car door with all the crossover components and such. Yes, very much so because separate floor standing, get your twitter up higher, twitter up higher and in inside a floor standing, speaker will be a very robust crossover. Doing that job of splitting off those frequencies. So you're absolutely right. David Lewis. David Rose, David Rose says. So a vehicle with a factory amp that has its own twitter channel and a separate tweeter and will for, would work better, correct, meaning an aftermarket separate tweeter and wool for would work better, presumably, than a two way speaker. Uh, so the factory system comes with a twitter and wool for separate amp. Should you replace the twitter and the wolf for I think is what David Rose's asking. Okay, well, it depends on where the crossover for the factory speakers is happening. A lot of the factory systems place a capacitor on the tweeter, they high pass filter them and they run them in parallel off the same channel coming to the wall for So you have to look at the specific situation to decide what to do. Generally speaking, the rule is always always, always, always use the crossover that is there to protect your aftermarket tweeters. The manufacturers won't warranty these if you don't use their crossover with them. So if you have a factory amplifier with a filtered output, you can run into some phasing issues because of that. So your sound quality might not be what you're looking for. So what you're kind of doing is you're doubling up on your crossover, right? Factory system is already taking the base out of the music that's piped out to the tweeters. And then when you install your new tweeters, you're following directions and installing another crossover and those working together is sometimes produces weird results sometimes. Yeah, you'll get a weird sound quality issue out of it because of phase issues because the stacked crossovers and in that case then your, your best alternative really is to bypass that factory amplifier or use a DSP that can combine the channels back together to get you a full range output and use your own amplifier than to drive those speakers. You get a much better sound quality if that's what you're going for. Uh, some folks, you know, you get lucky and you never notice any weirdness with it, you put the crossover in, stack it against the other one and because they're pretty far apart in what range they cover, uh, you've got your aftermarket protected and the factory crossover was maybe at a bit of a lower point. Um, then you can run into some gaps. So I try not to ever stack this crossover with the, an active one from the factory systems. Uh, if I ever have to do it, I'll put the system in, I'll give a listen, I'll run some tone sweeps to make sure that it's actually reproducing the various tones that it's supposed to and if it is great and if it's not, then I gotta recommend. Okay, you need to do something about this. You need an amp and like with so many things, it's all very case by case, each car is different. The speakers you want to put in will change this, the factory amplified system and aftermarket amplifier, what radio is in the dash. All of that stuff needs to be taken into consideration. And if you get the chance to deal with one of our Crutchfield advisors either on the phone or over chat, they can help you figure out what is the best situation for your car. And if you have any questions or issues installing it, chris and the tech support department can help in that regard. Right, Right. Our tech folks can all assist with taking a look at this and helping to make sure everything's gone. But uh you know, the advisers do a great job and generally speaking, we're not batting cleanup or anything behind them. We're just helping the people physically make their connections to figure out where to mount them. That kind of thing. Get some recommendations. We have a great sea support tool for our technicians where they can go live with the person through their cellular phone, You know, the app on the phone, they pointed at stuff in the car and our guys can take a look and we've got our research files internally where we've taken most of these vehicles apart. Anyway, we have like over 16,000 cars in our database. So they have access to all that live in real time while they're talking to you and with our C support tool, they can take a look and make recommendations about where to go with. Yeah, that's that's probably gonna be a good spot there for you to mount that crossover, you know, that kind of thing. Given the same sorts of advice that we've been doling out today. Chris, thank you so much for coming in, man. We did have a couple additional comments. David Lewis made a comment. Right. As you were saying, a DSP can help with the twitter thing. He commented that the DSP could help you and you and David Lewis are on the same page. David's bright man. He knows his stuff right on. So this is chris from tech. Thank you so much. I'm gonna kick you out. We're gonna bring in our last special guest of the day, uh, and we're gonna be talking home stuff again. So we'll get these car speakers out of here who's coming in next? His name is Dave, I still call him Niles because when, when he was a phone sales advisor hired back in 1996 97 he, he sat like right behind me and his phone name was Niles. I presume we had another David on the phone at the same time. Jr hi everybody, thanks for coming on. And so I wanted to talk to you on this and I have a feeling you're gonna be back in future episodes as well if you'll, if you'll indulge us because you do something on the regular with, with Crutchfield advise. So, in addition to your day job of writing about products, like on those product pages. Uh, and explaining all the cool stuff they do. You set up demonstrations of our products. Right. So you have a lot of hands on yourself and you help others get more hands on experience with products. Exactly correct. It's called demo days. I started about six years ago or so and it just came from the fact that we had a lot of product coming through the doors. We had vendor trainings and they would bring their products in, which is extremely helpful, but we had only a short period of time to experience them as advisors. And with my copyrighting job as it were, I had a little more opportunity to kind of find out what was going on with the products we had in house, our product research team, does a wonderful job of research and all that gear and I knew it was in the building. So how can we get this in front of our advisors and our text for that matter. So they can actually experience it and be educated about it and actually have discussions about it, which that last point is kind of surprising to me because there have been major discussions and every demos I've had when products are there, we start talking about an array of things and that starts blossoming into more demo days ideas. You set up. One of my favorite ones you did was the polk versus clips. Yeah, which was a fantastic demo day because we got to sit there in a room and go back and forth on a set of pokes and a set of clips. Uh, everybody got to choose music to play. You had different music sources and that's a, that's sort of a polarizing speaker choice. There's lots of clips fans. Uh, there's lots of poke fans and they usually don't agree on which speaker sounds better. They usually do not. Yeah. So good discussions that kind of arose from customers actually writing in wanting to know which one's better. Well, you know, it depends on what you're listening to and it depends on the sources you're playing and all kinds of factors like that. And that's where the demos come in. I found I was, I'm a clippers fan, I have clip speakers everywhere in my home, but there was a couple songs in that day that you played that had more of an acoustic feel. And I thought, you know, actually the pokes are doing a little bit better in my opinion on these particular songs in general. I'm still eclipse guy. But uh, there's no doubt that the music choices make a difference. And uh, and that everybody's got opinions and you're rarely wrong when it comes to speakers because it's what you hear and you were very vocal about your clips is, um, if you want to say that when you came in, that's a great word. I should have used that. We did a clips, one of these a few months ago, Seeing your face when you prefer the pokes on a couple of tracks was really interesting. Yeah, so it was fun. Uh so we didn't do clips report this time you had a demo days going last week leading right up to Halloween. Uh We uh monday was the last day we got in there. Uh I brought my iphone and I filmed what you do as part of demo days. You guys haven't shown that clip yet, Right. Uh So they're gonna roll the b roll, this is you actually doing the demo days with And we had about, what is it? Four or five people, a mix of sales and tech and they got to get some hands on. They got to see the front and the back and listen to some stuff. Can you talk about this particular demo day? Sure. This was q acoustics. We had two pairs of speakers, the act of 200 which are fairly new for us. Those are the white ones in the video right now and they include as part of our package we have, there's a hub, a wireless hub which enables the speakers to be completely wireless aside from the power cable. So they don't even wire from the hub to the speaker. That's right, yeah, yeah. And the black ones in the picture are new. M 20 HD Bluetooth speakers, which are not live yet for us. Our merchandiser Tommy gave me a pair of those vendor samples to try out against them and I think they're gonna be a little brother to the white act of two hundred's gotcha. So, uh, and uh, what do people think? I did? Yeah, a lot of people thought they were fantastic for certain songs, kind of similar to that poke clips, comparison that we did some time ago. But they, what I really love about demo days is that they can get behind the panel, they can take a good look at them and there's a switch on the back for how you're going to place the speakers. And these are power, meaning they have their own and built in. So somebody who had an uneven front end, if you will for their audio listening would enjoy a switch that would enable them to put one speaker on a shelf and another one that's more freestanding because the DSP inside will take care of those aspects you mentioned earlier, I think about proximity range or proximity, proximity effect. Getting speakers closer to the wall that's exactly right. And when you flick the switch on one of the speakers, you can flick it a different way on another one and that will take effect when they're listening to the stereo that way. So, uh, the integrated stands, which are sold optional for these speakers were really cool. They screwed right in the bottom, made a nice look and very stable. So, you know, they were digging on them. And these stands not only look cool, but they also do an acoustic decoupling things. They do, They also have floor spikes. If you got carpeting or they have rubber stoppers, you can put on the ends if you've got hardwood flooring so it won't mar the floor. So either way you can go on those and they have a built in wireless link, so you can stream essentially whatever service you like right to what did you have playing for us there in the demo days, I had a title uh, and I had some of it was the Masters RM Q A hi res streaming going. And basically that was going uh, I think through chrome chromecast and through apple airplay. Uh Cool. So demo days gets you in front of our advisors are tech support the folks in creative that are needing to experience these products. That's awesome. Uh and it will continue. And it's helped a lot, especially when the vendors are not able to get in here for actually in house training right now, which we do hope to resume. Yeah, I hope so. I kind of follow up with the trains that we are getting online from our vendors and try to show off that product soon after they've been here. So it's still fresh in people's minds. Yeah. So in addition to finding out all about them from the q acoustics, we actually get to hear them. Yeah, That's awesome. Uh We had something else to talk about vintage vintage gear. Yeah. How did this discussion you sort of brought this up to our meeting the other day, How did this come about kind of a roundtable discussion about folks? I was reading an article, I can't remember the site, but they were talking about their legacy gear, old Pioneer and Moran stereo receivers from the seventies. And people were very passionate about talking about hanging on to that stuff. And how do I go about enjoying the new technologies of the 20 twenty's, which would be streaming services and things like that? Well, Crutchfield can certainly help you there because if you've got a vintage stereo, vintage integrated amp, you've probably got our CSR XLR inputs on the back and the gear that we have that can incorporate the new technologies and digital music. No problem. The blue sound node, for instance, or No. Two I as a streamer from N A D and blue sound that will enable you to stream, I think it's apple airplay two and other services available on board. And you can directly connect that by R C A two vintage receiver and suddenly there you are with your digital music. Also helpful if you have a collection of music that you've made digital, like on a portable hard drive, you can plug that into your ecosystem if you will on your wifi. This will allow you to access all that music through one portal, which would be the blue sound out. So the blue sound node gives you access to the convenience of music available in the way music has become available just everywhere. Right? So all of these, I mean just convenient as all get out. Um but it doesn't necessarily fit with the thinking of someone who's just like I like older gear, I like it analog. I wanna listen to vinyl, I wanna play tapes, I want to have my reel to reel going uh every now and then though that person might like to listen to some song that they don't have on vinyl or music discovering new bands. Not every band is putting out vinyl or cD. S. Even a lot of bands don't even bother to print C. D. S. And you can only find them either on their website or on Spotify title or wherever you get your streaming music. So wouldn't it be nice to every now and then pipe in new, Very convenient music into your older gear. Absolutely. And you know, there are ways to clean up the older gear to meaning you can hook other things to it to help your audio signal be improved. So if you're going to hook up this blue sound note, step up a pair of our CIA cables from audio quest for instance, and that will help you pass a better signal to that vintage receiver. You may be surprised what you get out of it cables can make a difference, especially when we're talking analog stuff. Those really good quality cables, plenty of copper in there, good insulation, good gold plated connectors on the end that can make a difference. Versus using the el cheapo RCs that come with your stuff. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, so this blue sound node is uh sort of on the upper end of like it's a really good quality piece. Like you shouldn't feel like you're keeping out just because you're going new, right? It's this is a high quality stuff. It probably has a built in data a converter that's really above average. I would agree. What what if you want to just say pipe in music from a computer or something like that? That's where you probably want to talk about a dac digital analog converter. And that's represented here by the Cambridge piece. The 200 M. And basically what you can do with that is connect that to your computer's USB ports. Sometimes you have to download a driver for that. Sometimes you don't and you basically can play music through your computer directly to your system using the outputs on that deck. So it does more than just the computer stuff. But if I'm using a computer and I'm spending some time downloading some hi res music tracks from the internet, ripping vinyl into a computer ripping cds, creating my hi res music tracks. I want them to not just be converted from digital analog with the D. A converter in my computer because that one sucks. Now you want a separate thing that does that, its job in life is to do that. Uh And then once it's converted to analog, send it out to your your vintage gear. And if you want to take it a step further, you can also use this deck for something like a cd transport, let's say you've got a collection of C. D. S. You want to step up and maybe your CD players giving up the ghost. Now is the time you can use this deck. Get a cD transport which has no built in dac and feed it right through this guy. Yeah, that's the difference that we should clarify by the way, a cD player and a cd transport are two different things to different cD players. Those have been around for 30 years now, right? 40 years, whatever it's been, they'll play your cd s, you pipe it out to any stereo that's existed forever. You're good to go. A cd transport is next level up, I would say so, because they've got uh components that are made specifically for just getting the purest signal out of that cd can. Its specialty is the moving parts that the laser that moves the thing that spindle that spins your disk. It holds it tight. It is a pro at playing and reading the disc, but it does not know how to convert it from digital to analog. That's the part that's in a separate box, like the dark magic 200 M. Or very many other D. D. A converters and that's that's a sign. Like if you're into that older legacy gear, you might like the idea that each box does its own job and not try to do every job. Also more chance, I should say less chance for electronic interference from other components. Sometimes when they try to stick to many things in one box, you got some crosstalk and some things can be taken away from the Purest audio signal. So that's what a lot of the Purest like the separate boxes to have each feature or function done that way. Anything else as far as legacy gear goes, I would just recommend taking a look. I know a lot of older receivers didn't allow you to really unplug the power cable, A lot of more integrated into the box. If they are able to unplug it, change the power cord, I've heard a whopping difference to aftermarket power cords to the versus the stock cord that would come with any audio gear like that. And if you can't change that power cord, you look into a line conditioner if you've had one for years, it's probably starting to go, it's probably seen a couple of potential spikes. Uh and you may want to think about stepping up and even getting some more outlets, The power coming out of your wall, make sure your gear has all of the, all the juice. It needs to do what it does. Yeah, good stuff man. Yeah, thanks for the tips. Thanks for doing demo days. What's next up? Do you know what's next for demo days? It's gonna be a mishmash stereo setup with paris brand, uh, paris paris sound integrated amp. I've got a wharf dale speakers, a golden ear, I had to make sure I didn't say golden eye, golden ear, power powered subwoofer and uh, I forgot the last component, maybe a Sony car stereo, maybe a dual demo if you will. Oh nice. The new Sony Mobile es 9500. Yeah, we did that last last people are excited about. Yeah, thanks so much for joining us. Dave, I'm gonna wrap this show up. You can sit there or leave. It doesn't matter to me. Lots of deals going on it. That time of year prices go up prices go down. Supply and demand is all over the place, the holidays, the pandemic, the supply chain issues. Long story short, if you see what you want by it, we do guarantee our prices for 60 days. So if it goes on sale after you purchased it within that two month time period, give us a call, we'll give you the difference. You gotta call us while it's on sale. But yeah, we've got your back on that. Thank you to eric for coming in and uh, for joining me at the movies a couple times this week, letting me crash pad yesterday to watch the movie at his house. Thanks for chris for coming in and talking tech support and component speakers. Thanks to all the video team Alexis and everybody watching. This is one of the most fun parts of my job. Thanks for being here, Dave. I think we're over and out. See you next time.

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