Podcast: Ep 61 JR's mom installs her own speakers

[Speaker 1] (0:20 - 3:36)

Ah, Mother's Day. Some of us take our mothers out for a well-deserved lunch or dinner, maybe flowers, a card. Maybe you make a point to spend some quality time with your mom.

Maybe all you can do is call her up on the phone. Or maybe, if you are the host of a podcast, you introduce the world to your amazing mother. That's what's happening on this episode of Crutchfield, The Podcast.

Hi, I'm JR, and you are listening to Crutchfield, The Podcast. Happy Mother's Day. My mother is a strong, intelligent, independent woman that likes to listen to music.

She always has. When I was growing up, we always had a nice stereo in the house. And while my dad may have brought it home with him on a naval destroyer from the Western Pacific when he came home from Vietnam, it was my mother and I that spent the most time together listening to music at home.

There were speakers all over our house. The stereo in the living room powered two or three pairs of speakers, and we had a stack of records and a pile of cassettes. It was the age of the mixtape, and my mom made the best.

I can still remember the exact order of the songs on some of her best mixtapes. We also made tapes of our favorite records. We made these tapes so we could listen to them in the car.

Some of my earliest memories are riding in the car with mom, listening to Top 40 radio in the 70s and early 80s, playing what we now refer to as classic rock. Or the mixtapes we filled with songs by Jimmy Buffett, Bob Seger, Los Lobos, Taco, and so many others. So I was raised to value the ability to listen to music.

To have it sound good. And to have fun doing it. My parents didn't care so much about the gear.

They were not audio snobs. They bought and installed stereos as a means to an end, so music could be enjoyed. It didn't have to be the best stereo around.

It just needed to work. So when my mom called me about her car's speakers sounding really bad, I was not surprised. They were her factory speakers, but they were blown, and naturally this was impeding her ability to listen to and enjoy music.

So something had to be done. I know the feeling. My mom is 70 years old.

She lives in Sarasota, Florida. If she lived here in Virginia, I would have bought her some speakers and installed them for her. That would be a pretty good Mother's Day present, right?

But that just was not in the cards this year, so she took it upon herself to pick out some speakers on crutchfield.com, buy them, and install them, pretty much all on her own. I talked to her about it later that day. Here's how it went for her.

Hi. Hi. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? I'm doing great.

So you bought some speakers, huh? Yes, I did.

[Speaker 2] (3:36 - 3:48)

One of the speakers in my car was crackling and buzzing, and I knew that it was probably blown. It's a 2009. It was probably the original speaker, so I thought I might want to replace it.

[Speaker 1] (3:50 - 4:06)

And like a very intelligent person, you went to Crutchfield. Of course. You went and found speakers.

Did you find them on your own? I know you called me, and I showed you what I would recommend. Had you come to a conclusion about which speakers you wanted even before we talked?

[Speaker 2] (4:07 - 4:18)

No. I did look at some of them, and I think I might have seen the ones you ended up recommending. But after looking at the page of all the speakers, I decided to get your advice about that first.

[Speaker 1] (4:20 - 4:22)

What were you looking for in a speaker?

[Speaker 2] (4:24 - 4:37)

Well, I didn't want to spend very much money, but I wanted the best possible speaker I could get at a reasonable price. And I believe that the ones you ended up recommending definitely are that. They sound great.

[Speaker 1] (4:37 - 5:29)

She had picked out a $50 pair of Pioneer 6.5-inch speakers. They fit her car without any modifications, and they are a major upgrade from her factory speakers, even if nothing else is replaced in the stereo system. She should experience much cleaner, detailed sound from these two-way speakers compared to the cheap one-way speakers that Ford put in there 16 years ago.

And at the time, they were on sale. Bonus! Great deal.

I think. Some people call Crutchfield to get new speakers for their car simply because they're blown. And they're annoyed that they even have to be doing this, right?

And other people call Crutchfield because they are excited to build or accentuate or enhance their car stereo and make it sound awesome. This strikes me as somewhere in between that. Would you say that's right?

[Speaker 2] (5:31 - 6:00)

Yes. My car has almost 200,000 miles on it, so I'm not trying to build any kind of expensive or even semi-expensive stereo system in it. And before this speaker started down and bad, I thought my stereo sounded pretty good.

I could turn it up high and no problems with it. So I just wanted to replace them with something at least as good or better than what was originally in there.

[Speaker 1] (6:01 - 6:30)

And you said it's a 2009 and that's a Ford Escape, correct? Yeah. Yeah.

And up until you put these speakers in, the whole system was factory, right? Just original equipment all the way around. Yes.

And you were happy with how it sounded? Yes. Before the speaker was blown?

Yes. How happy are you now with the new speakers installed? Oh, it sounds even better.

I love it.

[Speaker 2] (6:30 - 6:48)

It's perfect. It's perfect. When my speaker was blown, I shifted the music to mostly on the back speaker so that I wouldn't hear the blown speaker and was surprised at how great they sound.

I didn't even realize how good they sound.

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:59)

So overall though, worth it to have spent the time, the money, the effort, the labor of replacing your own speakers? You would say it was worth it?

[Speaker 2] (7:00 - 7:05)

No question about it. And I was actually very surprised at how easy it turned out to be.

[Speaker 1] (7:07 - 7:12)

So let's talk about how easy it was. Tell me how the installation went.

[Speaker 2] (7:13 - 7:57)

Well, so first I watched a YouTube video before I even tried to buy the speakers. I watched a YouTube video of how to do it and it was a great, great video. So I thought if I can just, you know, I can do all the things that this guy did and it didn't take him that long.

So that's when I asked you about buying the speakers and it turned out that that was absolutely true. I mean, I did run into a couple of little roadblocks on the way, but the first speaker took me probably about an hour and part of that was looking for the right tools and making sure I was doing everything right. And then the second speaker was so easy.

I did it in like 20 minutes without watching the video. I just knew how to do it and it went very, very easily.

[Speaker 1] (7:58 - 8:15)

So is this the first time you've ever installed speakers in a car? Yes. And you watched a YouTube video once or twice and then found the tools and overall the job of doing one of the two speakers only took you an hour?

[Speaker 2] (8:16 - 8:23)

Yes. And even though I didn't think I had all the right tools, it turned out I did have all the right tools.

[Speaker 1] (8:23 - 8:27)

What tools did you not have or did you think you didn't have?

[Speaker 2] (8:27 - 9:41)

Well, there was one screw that had a star shape, which I was unfamiliar with and didn't think I had a screwdriver like that, might have to go buy something. But when I was looking through my tools, there was a, what I would refer to as a bike tool, kind of like an Allen wrench with a bunch of different sizes on it, but it wasn't an Allen wrench. It was this star tipped wrench.

They called it Torx, T-O-R-X, Torx bits. Yeah. And I think I got that because I bought an Allen wrench somewhere and it came with this other one.

So there was two in the package, you know, and didn't even know at the time what I was supposed to use it for. But I looked at it and I'm like, that's exactly what I need right there. And it worked fine.

And then the other thing I didn't have was, I do have a set of sockets, but I didn't have the right socket wrench to take the bolts off the speaker once I got the door panel off. So I got my pliers out and very carefully turned those bolts until they were loose and then I could do the rest by hand. And so that worked fine.

It was easy to get the bolts off the speaker without it.

[Speaker 1] (9:41 - 9:52)

You were able to remove the bolts without like gouging up the edges and stuff with the pliers? Because that's the problem with pliers is sometimes you can strip the hex head off of the bolt.

[Speaker 2] (9:52 - 9:58)

Yeah. No, I didn't have any problem with that. Luckily, they weren't real tight and it worked fine.

Cool.

[Speaker 1] (9:58 - 10:34)

As you may have heard in a recent episode of this show, we do a ton of research on vehicles, so we can provide disassembly instructions for the factory radio and speaker locations. They're called master sheets or research notes, and they are attached to the email order confirmation for most products ordered for a specific vehicle. Did you see in the email that you got, the Crutchfield master sheets, that the first page of the master sheets lays out exactly what tools you're going to need.

Did you see that before you did your installation?

[Speaker 2] (10:34 - 11:33)

Well, okay. So when I bought the speakers or ordered them, I got that email and I did look at it, but I didn't really look at the instruction sheet very carefully because I figured I'd do that later when the speakers came. And of course, I'm 70, you know.

So in the email, when the speakers came, I was looking through the box like, where's the instructions? Because I have gotten things from Crutchfield before and they always come with instructions, but it's been years. Since I ordered anything that came with instructions.

So I was confused by that and I was going to ask you about it, but then I was like, I'll just watch the YouTube video because those are great instructions. So yeah, that's how that worked. And then after I did it, and you mentioned to me that the instructions were in the email, I looked at the email and the instructions and yeah, they were pretty good, but not as good as the YouTube video.

The YouTube video was better.

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:55)

It's hard to compete with an actual video of somebody doing the thing you need to do. Like we don't even try to pretend that our master sheets replaced or, you know, take away the need to watch a YouTube. A good YouTube video is kind of priceless and it's one of the best things about YouTube.

Yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 2] (11:55 - 12:01)

I've learned how to do many things just from watching YouTube video. So yeah, I totally know what you're talking about.

[Speaker 1] (12:01 - 12:35)

You know, YouTube is pretty great and there are a ton of people out there uploading videos showing how to do so many things like replace the speakers in a 2009 Ford Escape. And on top of the instructions we send out, you can call for free tech support and talk to a person who can guide you through an installation if needed. If you can't find the right video on YouTube for your car speaker installation, we've got your back.

Good. So you found the video. You watched it before, during, and between the first and second speaker.

You watched it a couple times or what?

[Speaker 2] (12:35 - 12:55)

No, I just brought my phone out to the car, started the video, and I would pause it like he would say what to do. And I would pause it and do that and then I would start it up again. And I did that through the first speaker.

And then when I got to the second door, I didn't need to watch anything. I knew how to do it at that point. I remembered.

[Speaker 1] (12:56 - 13:03)

Was it nerve-wracking at all trying to pull your door panel off? I think a lot of people get a little bit anxious about that.

[Speaker 2] (13:04 - 13:22)

A little bit, but not really. I mean, I bought the pry tool when I bought the speakers, and that was great. I wouldn't have had that, you know, so I would have had to go buy that.

So that was great that I could order that with the speakers. Three of them came, so I'm set for pry tools.

[Speaker 1] (13:22 - 13:42)

Well, those are the Bojo trim panel tools, right? The blue ones. The three different ones are three different sort of sizes and shapes for prying out different parts of your car.

Well, it worked fine. So next time you go to install something in your car, you might need a different pry tool than the one you used here.

[Speaker 2] (13:43 - 14:25)

I didn't even notice that. They all looked the same to me. But anyway, the one I used worked fine.

And it was actually pretty easy to pop the door panel off and lift it up and take it out. But like I was, you know, when I picked it up, it's still attached, you know, to two wiring harnesses, and there was a cable. I'm not sure what that cable was for.

And that was a little bit of an issue because it's still attached, so it's kind of hard to see those things, you know, behind the door. And that was another reason I like the YouTube videos, because the guy had the camera and showing you where to squeeze to, you know, to pull the wiring harnesses apart. And that little cable, he showed exactly how to take it out and put it back in.

So that was great.

[Speaker 1] (14:25 - 15:02)

Those cables are very frustrating for a lot of people that have never taken a door apart before. Are you think you're referring to the cables that when you open the door with the pull handle from the inside, it pulls a little metal wire with like a ball or a tip on the end of it? It's kind of like a brake cable on a bicycle.

Yeah. And that's what pulls the latch open. It's the same thing for locking and unlocking.

I think there's a separate cable for that. And those cables, they need to be positioned in there, right? Or you can't open your door.

[Speaker 2] (15:02 - 15:18)

Yeah. And I think if somebody had done anything with using those cables before, they would look at it and immediately understand how to take it out. But I don't have any experience with that.

So I was really glad that I watched the YouTube video, and he showed exactly how to take it out and put it back in.

[Speaker 1] (15:18 - 15:19)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (15:19 - 15:20)

So that was easy.

[Speaker 1] (15:20 - 15:42)

You know, many, many years ago when I was doing my first installs, I definitely broke some of those plastic things that are holding that cable in place. And so those can be finicky. And if you just start prying and pulling without knowing how they release, it's easy to break them.

So yeah, you were smart to have watched the video first.

[Speaker 2] (15:43 - 16:17)

Yeah. The problem I had with the door panel was getting it back in place. Because trying to put the...

You have to position the hole where the lock thing goes, you know? Yep. And that was hard to try to get that in just the right place and then get the door to slide down into where by the window.

And it was a little bit hard, especially with the first one. I got a little better with it by the time I did the second one. But once I got that thing in, and then it just clipped right back into place.

So yeah, it really wasn't that bad to do the door panel.

[Speaker 1] (16:18 - 16:30)

What about the wiring for the speakers? You got harnesses, right? Crutchfield provided harnesses that plugged into the vehicle's plug and then attached to the speaker.

How did that go?

[Speaker 2] (16:31 - 17:24)

So I had some trouble getting the Crutchfield harness to go into the one in the door. Because I was pushing it together and it wasn't clicking into place. And it felt like it didn't fit.

Like it was the wrong size or something. There was even a guy that just happened to walk by and ask me what I was doing. And I asked him to try to push it together and he couldn't get it to go together.

So then I remembered my pliers. So I used the pliers to very carefully gently squeeze it until it clicked into place. And that worked.

So it took more pressure than I had in my hands. I pushed like really hard and you don't... You have to be careful because you don't want to break any wires off while you're trying to push that together or bend them, you know?

So that was a little hard. I don't know why it was such a tight fit. I mean, I think it's good that it is a tight fit once you get it hooked up.

But it was kind of hard to get it to go together.

[Speaker 1] (17:24 - 17:43)

I want to make sure I understand. Are we talking about the end of the harness that has the plug that matches the Ford plug? Was that hard to plug in together?

Like the Crutchfield plug to the Ford plugs? Yes. Did you get the impression that they weren't...

That it wasn't quite right or just that it was a really tight fit?

[Speaker 2] (17:43 - 18:21)

Well, I was pushing so hard and it wouldn't... I could see where it should click together because there was a little thing that looked like once you got it in tight enough, it would click in. That would hold it in place.

But I just couldn't get it to go far enough pushing with my hands and neither could this guy. So it wasn't just me and my hands aren't that strong. And I finally, you know...

I mean, I was tempted to like call a tech support and say, what's going on with this? Is it the right size or what? But then I thought of the pliers and I was like, I'll try that and see if that's enough pressure to put it together.

And that worked fine. So then I realized it was just a really tight fit.

[Speaker 1] (18:21 - 18:44)

What about the other end of the harness with the two little female... Those are called female quick slides. There's a thin one and a fat one.

And they connect to the little male prongs on the side of the speaker. Did those connect okay? I've done plenty of installs where those can be challenging to get them to fit right.

They connected okay.

[Speaker 2] (18:45 - 19:19)

One of them was a little tight, but I just carefully... Because if you're not careful with that thing, you can easily break that metal. So I had to push kind of hard with one of them, but the rest of them were fine.

They just slid right on. I mean, it's a good tight fit, but it was easy. You know, it was a little bit hard to figure that out because obviously I wasn't looking at the Crutchfield instructions.

And the YouTube video is not going to show that, you know. But it really wasn't that hard when I studied it to figure out what was going on there.

[Speaker 1] (19:20 - 20:05)

And then I figured it out myself. Did you need to get out the pliers again for those? Because some people, once they get those connected, they'll use the pliers to make them even more snug.

Because the worst thing that can happen there is when you go to put the speaker in, one of those plugs comes off or, you know, doesn't stay attached to the speaker. Because there is a certain amount of, you know, the metal has to hold itself in place against other metal. There's no spring-loaded thing or anything like that, right?

So it's just got to be the right amount of tight. So you can get it on and it doesn't come off. And usually they'll kind of click into place, but not always.

So, but yours, it sounded like yours fit securely and didn't come off. Yeah, they did.

[Speaker 2] (20:05 - 20:16)

But it's pretty tight. I wasn't worried about it being loose. And as soon as I got the speaker in place and bolted back in, I tested it to, you know, I turned it on to see if it was working.

[Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:16)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:24)

Because I didn't want to go any further if the speaker wasn't absolutely working right. And it was. So I knew those were on good.

They were nice and tight.

[Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:38)

So you speaker in, you get some, you turn the, you get some music playing so you can test it to make sure it works and then put the door back together and you're done with speaker number one. Yep. That's right.

And then.

[Speaker 2] (20:38 - 20:53)

And I wasn't, I wasn't even sure if I was going to be able to do both of them in the same day, but it took, it didn't take very long. And I was like, this is good. The second one's going to be even easier.

And it really was. Yeah. I didn't even spend, I didn't even spend two hours doing both of them.

[Speaker 1] (20:53 - 21:11)

You know. That's awesome. That's so great to hear.

Any complications on the passenger side when you did that? No, no, it was, in fact, it was a little bit easier because it didn't have as many wiring harnesses. What was the first song you played to test it and determine that these new speakers sound so good?

[Speaker 2] (21:12 - 21:29)

My absolute favorite song right now is a song called stranded by Van Morrison. The beautiful song with saxophone. And oh my gosh, I can't, I never get tired of listening to it.

And so I knew exactly how it should sound and it sounded awesome on those speakers.

[Speaker 1] (21:30 - 21:34)

And so the sound is better. Is it also louder?

[Speaker 2] (21:35 - 21:45)

I can turn it up louder. So I don't know if it's actually louder, but I can turn it up as loud as I want. And it still sounds good.

Whereas that wasn't true before.

[Speaker 1] (21:46 - 22:16)

That's one of the reasons I liked those particular speakers for you is that I knew the price was that part was easy, but I wanted to make sure that they were designed to sound good without needing a ton of power. Cause I know, I know you're never going to be replacing the radio or adding amplifiers. So all you're dealing with is whatever amount of power that factory radio has, which isn't much.

So we need speakers that can do a lot with just that little bit of power. And it sounds like we got it, right?

[Speaker 2] (22:17 - 22:18)

Yeah, definitely.

[Speaker 1] (22:19 - 22:40)

Perfect. Would you ever consider going back to crutchfield.com and writing a review and uploading? You didn't take any pictures along the way, did you?

No, no. I mean, I didn't, I didn't take pictures. Well, you don't need to do a review.

You're telling me about it for the podcast. So we can consider this your, your customer review. Yeah.

Okay, cool.

[Speaker 2] (22:42 - 22:51)

Awesome. One of the best things, one of the best things that came in the box was this little booklet. And as I turned the pages, guess who was in there?

My son.

[Speaker 1] (22:52 - 23:11)

Oh, that was awesome. It's hard to avoid my face and my voice when you're shopping at Crutchfield. I'm in, I'm in a lot of the videos.

I'm in a lot of the catalogs and pamphlets and the podcast. And yeah, I'm, I'm hard to miss. One of the prominent faces of Crutchfield.

[Speaker 2] (23:11 - 23:24)

I'm always glad to see your smiling face when I open up stuff from Crutchfield. Oh, I will also say that they came within a few days of ordering them like two or three days. So yeah, that was awesome.

[Speaker 1] (23:26 - 24:22)

Yeah. Pretty fast shipping. We don't waste any time with that.

Yeah. I, I, when I ride in your car, all I can think about is how much you would probably like a stereo in the dash that has like a beautiful touchscreen on it. That has, I know you have an Android phone, so Android auto.

So like you wouldn't right now, you just Bluetooth your music to the factory radio, right? Yes. Yeah.

Wouldn't, would you enjoy it? Maybe it's a cost thing or maybe not. If you, if you took the money side out of it, would you like to have to have a stereo in the dash that has a nice screen where you could see navigation apps, you could see your music apps, your podcast apps, like all of that on the screen and working with your phone.

Would that, is that something that you care about knowing that that exists?

[Speaker 2] (24:22 - 24:45)

Of course, I would love to have all that, but I don't consider a 2009 escape with a 200,000 miles on it worth putting that kind of stuff in. And when I get in your car and listen to your stereo, that's when I realize mine's not that great, but if I avoid doing that, mine sounds really good. So yours sounds even better.

[Speaker 1] (24:46 - 27:05)

I want to ask you about something now unrelated, but still Crutchfield related. Okay. So four years ago, when you moved into your, your, your condo, I helped you move in.

I'm saying all this for the benefit of our listeners. So, and part of what I saw as my job was to get your TV, your cable box, your Sony home theater receiver, all of the speakers that you have, including your subwoofer to get all of that working in the new place. And I, I failed like four years ago, I failed at that.

Like it all worked, but you had to use like three remotes to watch stuff. And sometimes the audio was on the TV and sometimes it was on the home theater. And most of the time, I think you didn't even bother with the home theater because you couldn't get it to work all the time.

So visiting you a couple of weeks ago, I finally figured out what I did wrong four years ago. And the, the reason I'm bringing this up is because, uh, on a recent episode of Crutchfield, the podcast, I interviewed a lot of our tech support agents to hear their stories about working with our customers. And multiple, several of them mentioned that when they get calls about home products, this is like the most common issue they have to help people with is to get the audio from their TV, to play on a home theater receiver or a sound bar.

There's a feature called audio return channel that makes that work. Uh, and it's, it's related to something called HDMI CEC, which is consumer electronics control. And that's the setting that I missed in your TV the first time around.

And I just wish I had called tech support four years ago because I did everything I could think of, but I just missed this one little setting in the TV menu settings. Uh, but it is fixed now. And I want to know how much better is it to watch TV now that your home theater works just no matter what you're watching.

[Speaker 2] (27:05 - 27:53)

Yeah, it's just awesome because the frustrating problem before you fixed it was that, um, I could get the, I could get the sound from some things like the app, some app like the apps on my TV or on the Roku, but not necessarily from the cable. And you and I, and I've, I've done a lot of hooking up and unhooking up both my TV and my stereo before, and I couldn't figure it out. And you couldn't figure it out.

At least you couldn't four years ago. So I kind of gave up on it, um, and just use the TV speakers, which are pretty good. You know, good enough.

Never bothered me that much, but man, after you changed it this time when you're visiting, oh my gosh, it's so much better. It's awesome.

[Speaker 1] (27:53 - 28:16)

I love it. And do you notice it? Do you like it?

Do you care about it? When you're just watching something that doesn't typically need like surround sound, or if you're watching a movie, you want movie theater surround sound. But if you're just watching Jeopardy or a baseball game or the news, uh, you know, do you notice it then?

Is it, is it, does it make that stuff better too?

[Speaker 2] (28:17 - 29:01)

Yeah. I'll tell you why. Because if I go into the kitchen or if I'm in the dining room or, you know, I can still hear it because there's speakers all over my living room, you know, and whereas before, if it was coming just out of the TV speakers, like I'd go in the kitchen and I couldn't hear it and I didn't want to turn it up so loud that it was bothering the people upstairs, you know?

So that's really better. But also the sound quality itself is so much better than just the speakers in the TV. So yeah, I like, I'm very happy that I can watch anything now on there and it sounds great.

And I also, as you know, Bluetooth my music to the Sony sometimes. And, and that's, that's awesome too. So it just all sounds great.

[Speaker 1] (29:02 - 29:41)

It's kind of crazy how this all happened around the same time as I was talking to all these tech support folks saying, oh yeah, audio return channel. That's the main thing we have to help our customers with is to get the audio to working on their TV. I'm like, doggone it.

I really should have just called you guys when I couldn't figure it out myself. Yeah. And so they, they would have had it fixed four years ago had I done that.

Oh well, it's okay. I'm sorry, mom. No, I'm very grateful that you got it working.

Cool. Well, thank you for talking to me about this for Crutchfield the podcast. Yeah.

I'm glad to do that.

[Speaker 2] (29:42 - 29:46)

I'm very proud that you've been at Crutchfield so long and doing such a great job there.

[Speaker 1] (30:03 - 31:15)

So that's it. That's the whole show this month. It's all about mom.

We decided to drop this show a little earlier in the month than normal so we could land it right on mother's day. So if you haven't called your mom yet, this is your reminder. This show was written, hosted, engineered, and produced by me, JR with help from Dom DeVito.

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We'll see you next month.